My " BEST" Bormann fuse yet!!! Take a look..

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Jpro

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We had great weather Saturday which allowed me to search hard and tight here in Nashville.
As always in search of CW relics. Got into a yard that produced this awesome looking Bormann fuse. Numbers and threads are in great shape. They don't come out of the ground in this condition like this much anymore. Was happy to save this one. Some nice dropped bullets too, for added bonus to my day...enjoy.
 

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Congratulations. Pretty sure that's a confederate bormann. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Very nice! I'll have to post a pic of the Schenkel shell fuse we found years ago in Nashville.Yours is nearly perfect,nice color on it too.
 

That's a pretty cool find.
 

Clean looking Bormann! Congrats!
 

Still looks to me like this fuse goes to 5 1/2seconds. Might be missing something. Either way, it's a great find. I really enjoy all the posts and the experience of TN.
 

It looks pretty complete to me but I'm no expert just an admirer of intact fuses.Heres the Schenkel the mister fiounnd around 15 years ago( but only because I told him to sweep under a row of bushes at someone's' house .Sorry to hijack your thread,lol!

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CoilyGirl said:
It looks pretty complete to me but I'm no expert just an admirer of intact fuses.Heres the Schenkel the mister fiounnd around 15 years ago( but only because I told him to sweep under a row of bushes at someone's' house .Sorry to hijack your thread,lol!

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Lol..no problem that schenkle fuse is beautiful..love the date on it!!!! Hope you have it displayed well!!!
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tennessee said:
Still looks to me like this fuse goes to 5 1/2seconds. Might be missing something. Either way, it's a great find. I really enjoy all the posts and the experience of TN.
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Dennis,
I know..I'm still sometimes wonder which is which. I've heard different things over the years. The so called "pie" piece, the "half" sec vs the "1/4"..
I'll get a definite on it from the experts soon
Jpro
 

nice finds. Is that one mini a cleaner round? The one on the far right.
 

That is an exceptionally good Boreman fuse. Very little if any deformation from the shell blowing up.
 

Because there is a request for input, here are my comments in response to various people's "wonderings."

The Bormann fuze found by Jpro is definitely one of the yankee-made versions.

The info about Bormann fuzes at the civilwartillery.com website is incomplete -- and thus can be misleading. Here is what that website does not mention about the time-markings on CS-made Bormann fuzes and pre-1866 US-made Bormann fuzes:
A Bormann fuze whose time-markings end with a raised line representing 5-&-1/2-seconds is only CS-made.
Ending with a 5-&-1/4 seconds line can be either CS-made or US-made.
Ending with a 5-seconds line is only US-made.

That website shows an 1866 (post-civil-war) drawing of a US-made Bormann fuze which ends with a 5-&-1/2-seconds line. No examples of that version have ever been found on a civil war battlefield. So, either that version of US-made Bormann fuze did not exist until after the war ended, or the artist made a mistake in the drawing.

The shell's exlosion almost always damages a Bormann fuze. There are two possibilities for explaining why Jpro's fuze seems to show no shell-explosion damage at all.
1- It is a super-rare exception to the shell-exploson damage "rule."
2- Its "face" was pierced by a cannoneer (at the 2-&-1/2-seconds line) as part of the firing procedure, but before that shell could be fired, a "cease firing" order was given. Being already pierced, that fuze would be useless in the future, so it was unscrewed from the shell, and discarded.

I suspect the latter possibility is the correct answer, because the lower right side of that fuze's wrench-slot shows a little deformation made by the fuze-wrench when turning it in the "unscrew" direction (counterclockwise.) Related to that, I also seem to see a little "skip-mark" made by the wrench at the upper left of the wrench-slot.

Also:
Jpro didn't specifically say that he dug his unfired yankee bullets in the same yard where he found the yankee Bormann fuze. But if the fuze and those unfired bullets did come from the same spot, it's extremely unlikely that a fuze from a FIRED/EXPLODED yankee artillery shell would be found a very short distance away from UNFIRED yankee bullets. You don't fire a shell at a location occupied by your own troops. But a "discarded" yankee fuze would be found at a location occupied by yankee troops.
 

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Nice, Very nice................HH
 

TheCannonballGuy said:
Because there is a request for input, here are my comments in response to various people's "wonderings."

The Bormann fuze found by Jpro is definitely one of the yankee-made versions.

The info about Bormann fuzes at the civilwartillery.com website is incomplete -- and thus can be misleading. Here is what that website does not mention about the time-markings on CS-made Bormann fuzes and pre-1866 US-made Bormann fuzes:
A Bormann fuze whose time-markings end with a raised line representing 5-&-1/2-seconds is only CS-made.
Ending with a 5-&-1/4 seconds line can be either CS-made or US-made.
Ending with a 5-seconds line is only US-made.

That website shows an 1866 (post-civil-war) drawing of a US-made Bormann fuze which ends with a 5-&-1/2-seconds line. No examples of that version have ever been found on a civil war battlefield. So, either that version of US-made Bormann fuze did not exist until after the war ended, or the artist made a mistake in the drawing.

The shell's exlosion almost always damages a Bormann fuze. There are two possibilities for explaining why Jpro's fuze seems to show no shell-explosion damage at all.
1- It is a super-rare exception to the shell-exploson damage "rule."
2- Its "face" was pierced by a cannoneer (at the 2-&-1/2-seconds line) as part of the firing procedure, but before that shell could be fired, a "cease firing" order was given. Being already pierced, that fuze would be useless in the future, so it was unscrewed from the shell, and discarded.

I suspect the latter possibility is the correct answer, because the lower right side of that fuze's wrench-slot shows a little deformation made by the fuze-wrench when turning it in the "unscrew" direction (counterclockwise.) Related to that, I also seem to see a little "skip-mark" made by the wrench at the upper left of the wrench-slot.

Also:
Jpro didn't specifically say that he dug his unfired yankee bullets in the same yard where he found the yankee Bormann fuze. But if the fuze and those unfired bullets did come from the same spot, it's extremely unlikely that a fuze from a FIRED/EXPLODED yankee artillery shell would be found a very short distance away from UNFIRED yankee bullets. You don't fire a shell at a location occupied by your own troops. But a "discarded" yankee fuze would be found at a location occupied by yankee troops.
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A big thanks CBG...
And yes, the bullets and fuse were found together.
Merry Christmas Eve,
Jpro
 

Cool. Will look good on the display shelf.:icon_thumleft:
 

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