✅ SOLVED Modern or CW?

[relic nut]

Found this bullet yesterday with some other CW bullets, Gardner , three ring 58 and some round balls. This one doesn't look rite to me . What are your thoughts? It is close to the size of the 58

 

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[DCMatt]

Possibly a Williams Cleaner Type 3. In pic 3 you can see the ramrod mark on the top where it was rammed hard down a fouled barrel.

Does it measure 58 cal?

DCMatt

 

[relic nut]

I don't have mikes but comparison end to end they are real close. The bullet in? Is deformed and would be hard to get a#. I also suspect ramrod mark

 

[DCMatt]

2 rings, hole in the base, and shorter/more round top all say Type 3 cleaner to me.

The patina is odd tho... Let's see if others agree.

DCMatt

 

[relic nut]

2 rings, hole in the base, and shorter/more round top all say Type 3 cleaner to me.

The patina is odd tho... Let's see if others agree.

DCMatt

Here are some more bullets that came from that site. They all have the dark crude on them. I used the clean dropped 58 just for comparison. It was from a different place. I hope that it is a cleaner because I have yet to find one. My buddy found one just like it at the same place Sat. Thanks for your help!!

 

[Damnails]

19th Century Bullet Collection - Tom Henrique
perhaps machine made sharps carbine as in link above

 

[DCMatt]

Here are some more bullets that came from that site. They all have the dark crude on them. I used the clean dropped 58 just for comparison. It was from a different place. I hope that it is a cleaner because I have yet to find one. My buddy found one just like it at the same place Sat. Thanks for your help!!

Ha! I just remembered you are in Virginia - red clay patina... I looked at the Sharps in the other post. It is a 52 cal. I think we can say Type 3 cleaner with a high degree of certainty.

You mention you haven't found a cleaner. Ironically, neither have I. Plenty of bullets have come out of the ground for me, but never a cleaner.

I have read that soldiers hated them because of poor accuracy and often would not shoot them. Pretty cool that yours is fired and has the ramrod mark on it. I hope it did the job for the guy who shot it and he continued the fight.

DCMatt

 

[relic nut]

Thanks DC I mike it this morning and best I can tell is between. 54/.56. It is funny how the ground here is. The 58 was found 10 miles away and thoughs bullets come out pretty and white. Go figure
Keep in mind that this bullet is deformed so numbers are probably off

 

[DCMatt]

The ones I dig around here (NoVA) are white.

I do living history presentations at the local elementary schools and always pass bullets around the class so the kids can feel how heavy they are. Last year, included in the thank you notes from students was one who said, "I never knew the bullets were made of stone." This year I made sure to mention that they are made of metal - not stone - even thought they look like stone.

DCMatt

 

[ivan salis]

think you got a 58 cal cleaner bullet that's minus the base that was really crammed down a barrel --deforming the top (and maybe that's why the bottom cleaner base detached as well --although its rare to find a fired cleaner bullet with the cleaner base still attached )

worth knowing----troops hated to use those cleaner bullets as they were hard to shove down fouled barrels that's why many cleaner bullets are found as "drops" discarded by troops.(note the damage to the nose of it having to really be rammed hard to seat it) . often troops would only use one when they could not longer get a "normal" round to go down the barrel -- to clean it up enough to use or if they were low on ammo they would use the cleaner bullets "as last ditch ammo"

 

[relic nut]

Thanks for the info guys!!!! I almost didn't post this bullet but I am glad I did. I learn something new with every find thanks to T-Net. Ill mark solved and keep digging. Thanks again. HH RN