Military Pin?

[KTMRIDER]

Anyone recognize this pin.

 

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[nhbenz]

I don't recognize it, but if I'm not wrong it looks like there's a torch above the eagle's head (between the smaller wings)... this is usually used for training/school emblems, if that helps.

 

[Montana Jim]

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KTM - I agree with Ben that it's a military educational type pin for a school or academy.  I could not find to what school, command, or training center it might belong.

 

[trikikiwi]

An interesting piece.
It is obviously old, as in not contemporary.
To me, there are two 'badges' stuck together, the winged torch on a shield, stuck to the back of the eagle badge. Which suggests to me, (after much googling ) there might be some connection to this;

http://arnold-air.org/about/symbols/

Note on their Home Page - they say;
"The Founding of Silver Wings
The first chapter of Angel Flight (AnF) was founded at the University of Omaha in 1952. Until 1957, Angel Flight was primarily a national idea with many names, uniforms, and activities. However, in April of that year, an important step toward unification was realized at the Eighth Annual Conclave of the Arnold Air Society. At that time, representatives from sixteen groups met in New York City to join their purposes under a National Coordination Headquarters."

I'm possibly completely on the wrong track.
Cheers, Mike

 

[KTMRIDER]

Not sure if this'll help but I forgot to mention the back:"N.S.Meyer, Inc., New York" in raised letters.

 

[DCMatt]

Here's a clue:

Note the similar winged torch and olive branches.

US military Air Training Command Master Instructor pin. (Korean war era?)

DCMatt

 

[KTMRIDER]

Wow, I really didn't expect this to be a stumper. As good as ya'll are at ID'ing things, I figured this one would be quick and easy even though I couldn't find anything conclusive in my own research.

 

[Poncho33]

KTMRIDER: I really do not know what the device is, however the small being or eagle with the vertical wings appears to be a typical Greek motif. I lived in Greece for two years, and that particular treatment of vertical wings really looks Greek. Poncho33

 

[NGE]

Is that NOT the Polish eagle?

 

[nhbenz]

KTM, is there a crest or hallmark next to the "N.S.Meyer" mark? Might help date it, at least. My latest thinking is Southern Vietnamese air crew trainees, during the Vietnam War, trained by the US.
This would be in line with what Kiwi suggested, two badges stuck together (with the US emblem encompassing our protectorate). Also in line with the type of application which Matt suggested.

 

[Montana Jim]

Is that NOT the Polish eagle?

I think all the heraldry is American.

 

[Ramitt]

I believe it is Air Force ROTC related.

pic from
http://tinyurl.com/6c5kr4

 

[DCMatt]

I believe it is Air Force ROTC related.

pic from
http://tinyurl.com/6c5kr4

I'm thinking the same thing.

But with the stylized eagle, it maybe a parents pin or patriotic jewelry or something of that nature. I don't think it was made to wear on a military uniform.

Man, this is a tough one...

DCMatt

 

[Ramitt]

I suspect you are correct, I can find nothing similar. With all the different ROTC and Jr ROTC programs it may be nearly impossibe to track down exactly where it is from and what it is.

 

[PBK]

Good call, Ramitt and DCMatt!

"This is a 1950-60's Air Force ROTC collar badge - worn in pairs - not certain as to what rank wore them."

John P. Conway
Manion's Auctions

John is a good friend who's an appraiser with special expertise in air service militaria. He's also the coauthor of American Flight Jackets and Art of the Flight Jacket, and has written countless articles on insignia and other militaria.

 

[KTMRIDER]

Good call, Ramitt and DCMatt!

"This is a 1950-60's Air Force ROTC collar badge - worn in pairs - not certain as to what rank wore them."

John P. Conway
Manion's Auctions

John is a good friend who's an appraiser with special expertise in air service militaria. He's also the coauthor of American Flight Jackets and Art of the Flight Jacket, and has written countless articles on insignia and other militaria.

WTG guys, thank you!