Mercury related article.

[Goldwasher]

I'm gonna leave this here... I know the article isn't about mining but, I feel its related.
Notice where they say the mercury comes from that is affecting the seals!!!!! Try to get the Sierra fund or C.B.D. to put that in print....!!!
The Marine Mammal Polluting the Ocean With Toxic Mercury

 

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[goldenIrishman]

Ahhhhh Yet another study for the Greenies to argue to death. Seems that if it doesn't back their agendas up that it's automatically wrong.

 

[Oakview2]

Don't confuse the SF with facts, they are much more comfortable with spreading myth and lies...

 

[kevin1]

Just another attempt to villify coal, nothing new here. I work at a power plant, they take amazing steps to keep emissions as low as it is practical to do so, but it will never be enough for the envirowienies. Coal is on it's way out for power generation anyway, the costs have finally begun to get too high now that natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. Many of them will either shut down, or be refitted to burn CNG.

 

[Goldwasher]

You guys missed my point!!!! remember miners are the reason for the mercury in the water....according to all the attempts to shut us down... was just posting the irony!

 

[Oakview2]

My tongue was firmly in my cheek. The SF refuses to acknowledge anything but legacy mining mercury

 

[goldenIrishman]

Well we just thought of how the Sierra Fund can clean up that beach with no problem!!! All they have to do is file a suit banning the seals from the beach!!! Problem of elevated mercury levels solved in the least practical way possible. We can only hope that they try something like that. It would only show the world how stupid they really are!!!

 

[chlsbrns]

I'm gonna leave this here... I know the article isn't about mining but, I feel its related.
Notice where they say the mercury comes from that is affecting the seals!!!!! Try to get the Sierra fund or C.B.D. to put that in print....!!!
The Marine Mammal Polluting the Ocean With Toxic Mercury

Here is a mercury article that may interest you!

USGS Open-File Report 2010?1325A: The Effects of Sediment and Mercury Mobilization in the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek Confluence Area, Nevada County, California: Concentrations, Speciation, and Environmental Fate?Part 1: Field Characterization

Looks like more than gold stays suspended in waterways!

A closed-circuit tank experiment with a venturi dredge at the base of Pit 1, in a gravel bar within the South Yuba River, resulted in fine-grained suspended sediment remaining in suspension more than 40 hours following the disturbance simulation.

Results from the field studies indicate that disturbance of the finegrained Hg-contaminated sediment would likely lead to enhanced mobilization of Hg to downstream environments; therefore, the use of suction dredging to remove Hg at the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek confluence area would likely result in enhanced Hg transport downstream relative to natural conditions.

 

[goldenIrishman]

I'm wondering if Dr. Alpers had anything to do with the testing methods used or how the experiments were set up. One thing they didn't seem to take into account is that dredging removes more mercury than not dredging. Micro mercury that gets stirred up might not be removed, but larger mercury that is removed is prevented from becoming micro mercury due to "flowering". So... Leave larger pieces of mercury in the river to break down or dredge it out? I for one would think it would be a "No Brainer"!!!

EDIT: Well I see the Alpers unit WAS involved. That in itself makes their results suspect in my mind. He has already been proven to use unsound testing methods and has a biased opinion as well as a conflict of interest.

A scientific TRUTH is the same for everyone. No matter how much they wish it wasn't so, a truth that doesn't happen to fit their agenda is still a truth.

 

[russau]

You guys missed my point!!!! remember miners are the reason for the mercury in the water....according to all the attempts to shut us down... was just posting the irony!

REMEMBER Mercury is a NATURALLY OCCUREING ELEMENT in nature! Don't blaime it all on the miners.

 

[Goldwasher]

REMEMBER Mercury is a NATURALLY OCCUREING ELEMENT in nature! Don't blaime it all on the miners.

Russ that was sarcasm

 

[goldenIrishman]

New code for sarcasm =Bolded Italics Might help keep the peace and save misunderstanding. Then again, it would also cut down on all the drama that happens here from time to time...

 

[Goldwasher]

New code for sarcasm =Bolded Italics Might help keep the peace and save misunderstanding. Then again, it would also cut down on all the drama that happens here from time to time...

Dang it I wanted to rely on wit...and paying attention....I guess I should give the disclaimer to my wife too....hey Hun...I'm gonna be sarcastic for a second......I'm sure that will help

 

[Mad Machinist]

Here is a mercury article that may interest you!

USGS Open-File Report 2010?1325A: The Effects of Sediment and Mercury Mobilization in the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek Confluence Area, Nevada County, California: Concentrations, Speciation, and Environmental Fate?Part 1: Field Characterization

Looks like more than gold stays suspended in waterways!

A closed-circuit tank experiment with a venturi dredge at the base of Pit 1, in a gravel bar within the South Yuba River, resulted in fine-grained suspended sediment remaining in suspension more than 40 hours following the disturbance simulation.

Results from the field studies indicate that disturbance of the finegrained Hg-contaminated sediment would likely lead to enhanced mobilization of Hg to downstream environments; therefore, the use of suction dredging to remove Hg at the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek confluence area would likely result in enhanced Hg transport downstream relative to natural conditions.

There are several MAJOR problems with this study. One of the biggest ones is the fact that in trying to prove that dredging is bad, it proved that dredging is good. If the fine grained sediment stays suspended for 40+ hours from dredging then what happens when the rivers rise during natural flooding cycles and they stay up for days? What happens when the waters rise and stream scour kicks in? I know what happens, I wonder if this idiot conducting the test does? In fact I wonder if any of these so called scientists can even see the forest for the trees anymore.

So if this model is supposed to be accurate, then if we apply it to real world flood events then there is NO MORE legacy mercury as it would have all been washed out into the ocean after a 100+ years of natural cycles.

 

[goldenIrishman]

Very good point Mad! These wackos are doing everything they can to try to make all of us into the villains of this drama. I fail to see how anyone can give their money to support these people and their mad fantasies.

They fail to admit that miners could be a large part of the solution of mercury in our waterways. It's always better to act on a problem instead of talking it to death like the environuts have been doing for years. Given a choice, any sane person should see that getting rid of mercury is a good thing. Getting it done at no expense to the tax payers is even better!

I guess Izzy and her followers just want the largest (if not only) mining company in the state and will stop at nothing to get it. IMHO their plan is nothing short of the largest case of claim jumping in history.

 

[Mad Machinist]

I'm kinda house bound for awhile so here goes.

What most people don't understand or want to believe right now is the fact that we are winning the war. If you take a serious look at the media outlets right now you'll find those that parrot the MMGW and environmental doom and gloom are either failing or have failed and have been bought up my those who don't believe in MMGW.

Now this applies to mining in the fact that if people are starting to doubt the whole MMGW, then that doubt is being cast into other areas. Especially with the epic fustercluck that the EPA committed in Colorado.

More and more people are starting to understand that if things are allowed to proceed according to market demand, then there really is no reason for many agencies to exist.

The people like the Sierra Fund are starting to understand that if they don't get the things they want done soon, then they are sunk. Support for the eco freak orgs. is waning fast as many people are now starting to understand that most of these places are just flat out lying to get what they want. Kinda like the miners in WV and KY who voted for Obama. We are seeing how that is working out for them.

We are being heard and many are starting to ask a lot of questions. California?s Climate Change Revolt - WSJ This is but the beginning. Like I said, keep the pressure on, we are being heard.

 

[fowledup]

Here is a mercury article that may interest you!

USGS Open-File Report 2010?1325A: The Effects of Sediment and Mercury Mobilization in the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek Confluence Area, Nevada County, California: Concentrations, Speciation, and Environmental Fate?Part 1: Field Characterization

Looks like more than gold stays suspended in waterways!

A closed-circuit tank experiment with a venturi dredge at the base of Pit 1, in a gravel bar within the South Yuba River, resulted in fine-grained suspended sediment remaining in suspension more than 40 hours following the disturbance simulation.

Results from the field studies indicate that disturbance of the finegrained Hg-contaminated sediment would likely lead to enhanced mobilization of Hg to downstream environments; therefore, the use of suction dredging to remove Hg at the South Yuba River and Humbug Creek confluence area would likely result in enhanced Hg transport downstream relative to natural conditions.

Here we go again! This is so tiresome, repetetive and counterproductive. The whole key is "closed circuit", how in the world would you expect results any different? If I put mercury, lead, concrete or anything else on the planet in an enlosed vessel and shake it up. I bet I can keep the heaviest of heavies in a constant state of suspension. However that is not how a river flows or how a dredge operates within a river. When a heavy material such as gold or mercury or lead or iron or.... is picked up by a dredge and ran thru a sluice. That which is not captured falls off the end where it settles back down by way of gravity and the force of the flow of the river. The energy that picked it up and deposited it across the sluice has been removed. There is no giant Kitchen-aid attachement at the end of the sluice that picks it up as it's falling back to the riverbed and resuspends it. Gold is heavy, lead is heavy, mercury is heavy, metal is heavy- it takes a large outside source of energy beyond the normal flow of the river to move it and requires that force to maintain its influence on it to keep it moving, without it it immediately falls back to the riverbed. Those results would have been the same had it been performed in a bathtub in Redondo Beach.

 

[russau]

the wacoenviromentalists believe that they can keep repeteing the same old lies over and over and eventually someone will start to believe it as the truth! a person with just a little common sense would soon realize that lies are lies nomatter how many times they are repeted! WHY CANT THESE DARNED JUDGES UNDERSTAND THIS and then smack them lies down!