MD permit has weird specification

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luckymike

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Picked up my permit for beaches and parks this week and noticed on the back something weird, they require a digging tool to be 1-1/2" wide and 6 inches long! How am i supposed to dig a hole with a tool that size? A butter knife is too big to use lol Have any of you guys seen anything like this?

P.S. I only found 4 coins,a bunch of old style pulltabs,bottle caps and a dogs leash intact,got too cold so i left after 90 mins will be back when it warms up.

mike
 

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Weird. So if you find a gold coin, you have to turn it over to park police? According to line 5. Not!
 

That sucks. What will they take from us next? :dontknow:
 

Yah, that's interesting, Mike.

My sharpened screwdriver probe is maybe 12" overall.
and I rarely dig more than 6" deep.

Possibly the worst part there is we are not being considered as a legitimate patron (user) of the park as everyone else.

I certainly would move for a ballgame to be held, and would not think to interrupt a ballgame.
What if 18 of us decided upon two teams and went head to head for 90 minutes to see who could get the most pull tabs in that same open area?

I feel like Rodney Dangerfield!

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Might just mean the blade of the tool you are using, did you ask them what it means? And as far as line 5, ..................................
 

I wish i could find a gold coin! I'm happy finding a few wheaties or the occasional silver dime,I'm thinking its got to be a mistake should read 6 inches wide and no more than 1-1/2 feet long.

mike
 

Could be just the blade but i doubt it 1-1/2 inches wide is nuts,i didn't ask them but i will when i get asked for my permit while detecting.
 

Well, that cancels out my gator digger which the digging portion is 2 " wide by 5 1/2" long. I assume they're not counting the handle. Are all NYC PERMITS LIKE THATor just Long Island?
Also are woods considered landscape areas?
I assume the above regulations aren't talking about the beach areas.
I'm new to this permit stuff so please excuse me if my questions seem stupid. I'm currently going after a NYC Permit.
Are the regulations the same?
John from Upstae NY
 

John;
I think landscaped areas are areas with flowers,plants etc I wouldn't think woods are included.On my receipt it says L.I. region so i'd say nyc doesn't count

mike
 

luckymike said:
John;
I think landscaped areas are areas with flowers,plants etc I wouldn't think woods are included.On my receipt it says L.I. region so i'd say nyc doesn't count

mike
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Mike,
Thanks!
John from Upstate NY
 

This sucks. We are all losing rights every day. At this rate we won't recognize America in a little while.
I don't know about you but i don't like it.
 

Maybe a dumb question but I have thought about this a long time and I am sure many of you have as well,and I hope they do read this b/c they need to know how we feel. You always read in the news about people making petitions to sign either to free the animals,or some sort of civil rights deal, etc.... Well what about us? Isn't there anyone that has ever thought about making a petition for "relic hunters" or "pot hunters" or "metal detectorists" basically people who go out and do this as a hobby or for the people who do it to recover history that has been lost for hundreds of years. What gives them the right to make these rules, about you can or cannot do this or that. Someone has to make a letter sound all fancy then some big honcho has to sign it to make it legal. I don't see the point, we go out a dig a hole usually no deeper than 6" in public areas fill it back in and move on. But yet they can come through with backhoes and bulldozers make 10 foot holes no safe for anyone and then BAMM a FRANCHISE pops up. Well I think and have always thought that is Bull$**!. I want to make it where MDers can go out and enjoy the hobby without the petty rules that these people come up with. Who do I have to send a letter to the city? congress? the freakin president? I remember when you could go on a beach, drive out there, camp, make a fire, MD and then the next day go home happy. But now that same beach 2 years later, No driving on beach (but they can) truck and fourwheelers. If you make a campfire it must be contained in a noncorrosive tub with the tub being no larger than 11" wide (that's not even a campfire) no tents and absolutely no MDing. Honestly think about it if it were not for us think of how much stuff would be laying around everywhere.

Sorry I just had to vent, but this has been eating away at me for some time, and if I had a way I would try to change this.
 

you have all of these "rights activists" nowdays, how about we all become metal detecting rights activists!!!!! Let's push our AGENDA for a change!
 

They have to add size requirements because of the idiots who would go in there with a long handled shovel and dig foot by foot holes......... I have saw just such craters in many places others have hunted.......

Having said that.... my grandfather hunted the local lakes in the '70's.... the permit said "anything of value" had to be returned to the park office... well the first time out in the water he pulls out this REALLY nice OLD diamond gold ring..... so he, abiding by the rules, takes it to the park office.... they say that if in 2 weeks no on claims it, he can keep it... now he was certain that it had been there a long while...... he goes back to check after the 2 weeks..... weirdest thing..... someone came in the very same afternoon he found it and "claimed" it....... coincidence ? or did the park ranger have a present for Valentines day the next yr?
 

i personally think the idea behind the permit saying this is so no one walks around a park carrying a shovel. i've been detecting on long island for about 30 years and no one ever questioned me about the size of a digger. although one time i had the park police stop me because a woman told them someone was walking around with a knife and i did have one of those cheap stainless survival knives with the compass on the end which was only 1.5 inches wide and 6 inches long but i grinded the point down and made a shovel edge it worked realy great but that was the last time i used it and i have not had a problem since 1995.
the other thing i would like to add is, i use a beach scoop at the beach which far exceeds what the permit says and have never been questioned about using it.
the only complaint i have is they do not allow night hunting on the beaches. they should allow night hunting so we do not have to detect when there is 200,000 people on the beach.
one last thing i personally think we prevent a lot of injuries on the beach. i dig up a lot of big hooks which would go right through an adults foot not to mention some of the filet knives and open pocket knives i have dug up most being very close to the surface. how much do we save the state in lawsuits?
 

The same tool restriction is in place at some of the State Parks here. So far no one has said a thing about the tools I carry, which is a standard HD trowel.

As an aside, some of the park rangers also MD, and carry larger tools. Cannot advise on how that would be handled in your site however so better to be happy with shallow targets. Of course I would not go to a site where someone else was the mandated recipient of my finds.

Lastly, there may be a market for custom digging tools that fit these dimensions, any metal workers out there?
 

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