Maybe Civil War era rifles ?

[Deepdiger60]

A friend of mine who hunts with me with our detectors i went to see today at his business showed me 4 rifles he just got from a elderly gentlemen a local who did not want them any more , 1 rifle has a name on it the other 3 dont have much markings we both took measurements and digital photos today of each rifle ill try to explain each one in order starting with the long rifle its 57.5 inches long a flint lock its missing the ram rod it has 3 letters on it SCT ? the rest is not readable that will be pictures 1 2 and 3 , the second rifle is a single shot percussion ram rod missing its 49.5 inches long no markings thats pictures 4 5 and 6 , the third rifle is a double barrel 24 gauge ? 46 inches with ram rod it has the name Westley Richards on it that will be pictures 7 8 and 9 , finally number 4 its a double barrel 24 gauge ? 44.5 inches the ram rod is missing that will be pictures 10 11 and 12
Thanks for any help ID,ing these rifles and about the age also . Jim

 

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[kenley]

Neat stuff. If you don't want them, I'll send you a postage paid mailer.

 

[mojjax]

The first & second one reminds me of a Brown Bess , just a guess .

 

[mojjax]

Here is a similar one I posted a while back .

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,46459.0.html

 

[Woodland Detectors]

I'm very interested in taste testing some of your beer seen in the 4th photo.

I'm extremely observant

 

[vayank54]

On the Flintlock it looks like there is a space between the S and CT. CT more than likely stands for Connecticut and the S is probably the last letter of the makers name. You might put baby or talcum power where the letters are and lightly rub it with your fingers. It might help you see the letters better.

 

[Deepdiger60]

On the Flintlock it looks like there is a space between the S and CT. CT more than likely stands for Connecticut and the S is probably the last letter of the makers name. You might put baby or talcum power where the letters are and lightly rub it with your fingers. It might help you see the letters better.

Ill try that thanks i think this is a eagle on 1 rifle not sure

 

[dcinffxva]

The first one appears to be a US Model 1816, or possibly Model 1795 that is missing the hammer.

The second one appears to be a US Model 1842 that has had the forestock cut

The third is a percussion shotgun.

One the first two, there should be markings on the lockplate, on the top of the barrel on the left side, and possibly also on the tang (the part that holds the barrel into the wood).

Below are some typical markings. Better photos would help.

 

[l.cutler]

No rifles here, two muskets and two shotguns. The flintlock is the best of the bunch, probably a private contract musket for the US. Any flintlock muskets are rare that haven't been converted to percussion or cut down. The second appears to be a cut down foreign smoothbore musket, possibly Belgian, German or Austrian, maybe converted to percussion. The cut down percussion may have been used in the Civil War, doubtful on the others.

 

[Chris_Odom]

great riffle.

 

[Tnmountains]

Westley Richards is a pretty decent gun. Not a purdy but nice enough. I have sold some starting at $450.00 and way up depending upon condition and type. Here is a link to them.http://www.westleyrichards.com/gun/used_guns_1.php.
Here is another link as well. A lot of guns out of Belgium were marked Richards and not as valueable. This will give the barrel markings.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-16122.html

I cant really see the others to well. I would keep them all as value will never go down

 

[Deepdiger60]

Thank you all its a great start to find out more infromation on these guns i stand corrected by calling them rifles my friend i have been trying to get him on this T-Net i think he will now he thanks you also we will both look more close for any more markings HH Jim . Foot note---- that 57.5 inch long rifle it weighs more then my M-60 belt feed in Vietnam i can not imagine carrying that all day i put that stock in my shoulder as if i was aiming it at a target my arm saged and im 6-4 245lbs lol .