Man riding dog while using a whip

[Iron Buzz]

I'm not the finder and can't answer any questions. I'm posting this for someone on Reddit's metal detecting site. He says he is in Indiana. I'd love to know what this is, and if anybody can figure it out, it is this group!


https://www.reddit.com/r/metaldetec..._whipping_while_riding_dog_what_is_this_cant/

 

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[sutphin]

NOT SURE BUTTON SURE IS A NNNNNNNEEEEET FIND.

 

[Iron Buzz]

No takers yet?

 

[kingskid1611]

A bridal rosette for a dog bridal......that's my guess.

 

[creskol]

need some sizes and more photos.

 

[kingskid1611]

Or a metal cap off of some vinaigrette bottle. Those look like grapes hanging there.

 

[Iron Buzz]

need some sizes and more photos.

Sorry, that's all I've got for us to go on. The photo does zoom quite a bit when you click on it, you know.

Do you all think that maybe the man is NOT riding the dog, but walking alongside it, and maybe that is something other than a whip?

 

[Bramblefind]

Here's another - no ID but I will bring the photos forward-

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/29517-couple-whatzits.html

 

[Iron Buzz]

Here's another - no ID but I will bring the photos forward-

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/29517-couple-whatzits.html

Dang!! That's IT, isn't it?

I see that Clump63 is in central Indiana. The finder of the one that I posted is also in Indiana!

 

[HAPPYCAMPER]

Maybe along this idea?https://www.historytoy.com/gunthermann-tin-toy-soldier-boy-riding-dog-on-rocker-base

 

[Iron Buzz]

Here's another - no ID but I will bring the photos forward-

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/29517-couple-whatzits.html

The one that I posted was found in Bicknell ,Indiana,near Vincennes.

John Bicknell, born in Knox County married Eliza Ann Chansler, a neighbor girl, and became a prominent farmer. In 1860 he purchased 240 acres for $13.00 an acre and had part of it laid out in lots. George Fuller, Emison, purchased the first lot in 1868 and built the first store which contained his residence and the Post Office. The area had been called “Stumptown” because of the multitude of tree stumps from the dense forest that had to be removed. After Mr. Fuller built his store people began to call it “Fullertown”. In 1869 it was agreed it should be called “Bicknell” in honor of John Bicknell.

The town began to grow. The first commercial coal mine was sunk in 1873 and more mines were started. The first telephone was installed in 1898 by George Cleveland. In 1905 the first electric plant (DC) was built by August L. Brocksmith, who owned the first auto. The town was incorporated in 1907 with 4,005 citizens. Main Street was paved six years later and the waterworks was built in 1918. The Coal mining industry brought more people, and in 1920 there were almost 8,000 persons living here. There were over 20 shaft mines producing with rail connections, providing employment for 2,000 men.

Daily trains ran from Bicknell to Vincennes, seats and aisles full of commuting miners. In 1927 many of the early mines began to close and according to several citizens, delivered a “death blow” to Bicknell. Today the population is less than 4,000, but the City did not die; it just changed directions from a booming mine town to a great, little City in which people could raise children and retire.[/QUOTE.

Another possibility is that it is a monkey, not a man, riding on that dog. Apparently that was a "thing" around the turn of the 20th century.

 

[Clay Diggins]

He's not riding the dog he's training it. The "whip" is actually a stick with a retrieving dummy dangling from the end.

I'd look into local hunting clubs to see if this was issued as a medal or button for hunters.

 

[Iron Buzz]

He's not riding the dog he's training it for game bird retrieval. The "whip" is actually a stick with a retrieving dummy dangling from the end.

I'd look into local hunting clubs to see if this was issued as a medal or button for hunters.

Possibly. Never heard of dangling a retrieving dummy from a stick, though. Still, worth researching.

 

[CRUSADER]

He's not riding the dog he's training it. The "whip" is actually a stick with a retrieving dummy dangling from the end.

I'd look into local hunting clubs to see if this was issued as a medal or button for hunters.

Maybe a way to strengthen up a hunting dogs back, although my first thoughts is that it maybe some old fable. About a very large bellied Gentleman finding his way home or some other odd back-country story. The Gentleman character is dressed in an odd costume, similar to Punch & Judy.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Maybe a way to strengthen up a hunting dogs back, although my first thoughts is that it maybe some old fable. About a very large bellied Gentleman finding his way home or some other odd back-country story. The Gentleman character is dressed in an odd costume, similar to Punch & Judy.

That which doesn't kill your dog makes him stronger? Haha! Never heard of having to strength train a dog before! Good observation about Punch & Judy... I saw that, but couldn't put it in words. That kind of ties in with the monkey soldier on dogback thing which I suspect is poking fun at some country's soldiers.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Getting closer, perhaps?

Lovely Mid Victorian Creamware Pin Dish COMEDY Napoleonic Soldier riding a Dog

 

[CRUSADER]

Getting closer, perhaps?

Lovely Mid Victorian Creamware Pin Dish COMEDY Napoleonic Soldier riding a Dog
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Maybe, I do think its meant to be some kind of fun or a forgotten story.

 

[Iron Buzz]

Maybe, I do think its meant to be some kind of fun or a forgotten story.

Yeah, I suspect is was some sort of political satire, but I want more. Especially after knowing that TWO of them came from Indiana.

 

[DCMatt]

Possibly political satire of Bonaparte leading his proverbial army of dogs?


Although, I don't think the item is Napoleonic era. I'm thinking late 19th C...


A famous quote from Napoleon is:


"If you build an army of 100 lions and thier leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion."


His words are just a twist on a famous quote from an earlier military leader - Alexander the Great.

 

[CRUSADER]

Possibly political satire of Bonaparte leading his proverbial army of dogs?


Although, I don't think the item is Napoleonic era. I'm thinking late 19th C...


A famous quote from Napoleon is:


"If you build an army of 100 lions and thier leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion."


His words are just a twist on a famous quote from an earlier military leader - Alexander the Great.

I agree, late 19th C seems right to me too.