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I found two bullets; possible drops based on condition. Each was found near an area of historical significance for the state of Montana.

#1 was found on the backside of some mountains that would have led to the Battle of the Big Hole. The US Army had pursued Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce tribe. The area I was in could have been an approximate path and even staging area before the attack. The measurements were odd. It's a 3-ring bullet with what I'd describe as shoulders. (Note: I've seen some contemporary bullets called wad cutters but the size is different.) The measurements are approximate with the width at the base being 10.65mm X 19.9mm high and weighs approximately 15 grams. It is undamaged so I don't believe it was fired.

#2 was found near the ghost town of Bannack Montana. Metal detecting is not allowed on this national monument. While researching the upper boundaries, I found a place called Road Agent Rock which is located on public land. Near that site I found several old diggings and above one of those sites, I found the second bullet. It is a single-ring round nosed bullet. It also appear fairly undamaged so I suspect it was dropped. Again the measurements are approximate. It has a approximate width at the base of 11.35mm X 17.1mm high and also weighs approximately 15 grams.

Idea searched them and found two possible matches but Minot sure so I'm looking for expert in-put. I'll include those descriptions for reference. I'm interested if they are period bullets or contemporary.

On a side note I was able the area of Road Agent Rock (which looks exactly like what you'd see in a B-rated western in am ambush hold-up) and found 25-30 expended casings. They were 7.62x39 and appeared to have been there quite awhile. I'm not sure what they were shooting at but the casings were all clustered together. Ironically, when I googled the 11.56 mm bullets, the first return described the 7.62x39. The projectile is completely different but it was a weird coincidence.

Thanks for the help.
 

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You said the roundnosed solid-based single-grooved bullet measures approximately 11.35mm at the base, which more-or-less equals .45-caliber. It looks like one of these at the following link, especially #4 in the photo, a British .450-caliber No. 1 Bland, "for a revolver made by the London firm of Thomas Bland & Son."
THE CARTRIDGE COLLECTOR

You asked for a time-period. In 20 minutes of websearching, I could not find info on the time-period of that revolver's manufacture. But the bullet being in a brass casing with a copper centerfire primer, and a small hole pierced in the brass casing to "seat" the bullet, indicates it is from the 1870s through perhaps as late as the 1890s. I said "indicates" because no date was given for that cartridge at the Cartridge Collectors website, so I'm making the best guess I can, based on the cartridge's construction.
 

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The 7.62x39 casings are from an AK-47 assault rifle. Most likely clustered together because the shooter was in one spot while firing and ejected casings follow the same basic trajectory and direction. 25-30 sounds about right as most AK-47 magazines hold 30 rounds.
 

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