Looking for help on the ID of this item (pin-broach)

[Danimal]

I was out Sat. with Mirage checking out some spots looking for cellar holes. One we found had coins nearby that were out of sync with the foundation's apparent age. Nearby at greater depth I pulled this thing.

Anyone seen one like it or know it's age (PBK?)

Bob and I both think that it might be worth clearing the iron from the front of this spot. The cellarhole was very large and very old.

 

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[johnnyi]

Re: Looking for help IDing age of this item (pin-broach)

It looks pre-Victorian to me.

 

[Danimal]

Re: Looking for help IDing age of this item (pin-broach)

It looks pre-Victorian to me.

What makes you say that Johnny?

We're trying to get an idea of the age of this site.

 

[Breezie]

The ribbon on top is soooooo typical of the Hepplewhite era of furniture, which was circa 1750. Breezie

 

[Danimal]

The ribbon on top is soooooo typical of the Hepplewhite era of furniture, which was circa 1750. Breezie

I have looked at some work by Hepplewhite and you're right, his work had a lot of similar ribbon flourishes, etc.

Hopefully someone will have seen another representative example of this broach for helping narrow it down.

 

[DCMatt]

Late Victorian (Art Nouveau) oval sash pin.

1890 - 1905ish

DCMatt

 

[thrillathahunt]

I don't think it is fancy enough for the Victorian era. My WAG would be early to mid 1800's. (1790-1840)

 

[Danimal]

The cellarhole was found using a map from 1900. The type of foundations stones though indicate a MUCH older home than that. Several standing homes in the same area have similar foundations and are dated to 1820.

 

[DCMatt]

Late Victorian (Art Nouveau) oval sash pin.

1890 - 1905ish

DCMatt

I can post a half dozen or more pics of similar oval sash pins if you like. They were immensely popular in the late 19th c.

Sometimes the pieces don't fit at a site. I was digging an 1820's - 30's lumber camp last year and out popped a 1946 Washington quarter. Unexpected, but undeniable...

DCMatt

 

[johnnyi]

Late Victorian (Art Nouveau) oval sash pin.

1890 - 1905ish

DCMatt

I can post a half dozen or more pics of similar oval sash pins if you like. They were immensely popular in the late 19th c.

Sometimes the pieces don't fit at a site. I was digging an 1820's - 30's lumber camp last year and out popped a 1946 Washington quarter. Unexpected, but undeniable...

DCMatt

The design is all wrong for Victorian era, but it fits well the late colonial to early Federal period. As well, the remains of the pin is thick and older style. Beyond that, this is a broach, not a sash pin.

 

[Breezie]

[/b]The design is all wrong for Victorian era, but it fits well the late colonial to early Federal period. As well, the remains of the pin is thick and older style. Beyond that, this is a broach, not a sash pin.

I agree with Johnny. The ribbon is typical of Hepplewhite (c.1750) which would put it right between Colonial and early Federal. Breezie

 

[Danimal]

Thanks for your help folks. After quite a bit of searching, the only things I have seen that have similar design details were a few Colonial era shoe buckles. I know this isn't a shoe buckle, but as a brooch it seems to maybe have a center part missing?

 

[DCMatt]

Thanks for your help folks. After quite a bit of searching, the only things I have seen that have similar design details were a few Colonial era shoe buckles. I know this isn't a shoe buckle, but as a brooch it seems to maybe have a center part missing?

After looking at this item again, it does have similar qualities to one of my relic shoe buckles (pre-1830). It could be a shawl or cloak brooch. The one pictured below is circa 1900.

DCMatt

 

[Danimal]

I may be back at this site this weekend, and I remember exactly where the brooch was dug, so I just might widen that hole up and search a bit to see if there may be a cut cameo or other non-metallic piece that went with it.