livery buttons any one good at IDing them?

[jimmy uk]

ive found two livery buttons from the uk and i can't seem to find who owned them

 

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[Silver Searcher]

Have a look here Jimmy

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=202

SS

 

[jimmy uk]

cheers mate the silver one is already on there they think it might be from a earl or something as its got a crown.. but nobody seems to know

 

[timekiller]

Here is another one I've been watching grow. Not quite finshed but there button pics. are killer and makes it nice to look at.Also has some good info. it seems.There is five pages of some very nice buttons form different circa.The ural will take you right to the Livery Buttons.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://silversimon.piczo.com/?g=41513993

 

[Silver Searcher]

Here is another one I've been watching grow. Not quite finshed but there button pics. are killer and makes it nice to look at.Also has some good info. it seems.There is five pages of some very nice buttons form different circa.The ural will take you right to the Livery Buttons.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://silversimon.piczo.com/?g=41513993

Pete that's a great site, I have it in my Favourites but stop giving them all away

SS

 

[timekiller]

Here is another one I've been watching grow. Not quite finshed but there button pics. are killer and makes it nice to look at.Also has some good info. it seems.There is five pages of some very nice buttons form different circa.The ural will take you right to the Livery Buttons.
Take Care,
Pete,
http://silversimon.piczo.com/?g=41513993

Pete that's a great site, I have it in my Favourites but stop giving them all away

SS

Me too! Maybe PM next time
Take Care SS,
Pete,

 

[CRUSADER]

cheers mate the silver one is already on there they think it might be from a earl or something as its got a crown.. but nobody seems to know

That's right, the likelihood of tracking down an actual family name is slim to none. These were very often generic designs which people picked to represent their family. Sometimes it was linked to their family heraldic past, but by the 1830-60s when these were being used the families were so intermarried that their crests would be far more complicated. So they may have just picked an element of their crest, say a Deer for example. These were servants buttons worn by the coachmen, game keeper & various other staff that worked on the estate/big house. However, I'm sure they got into the mainstream self-made merchant, for example or industrialist market as well as others who wanted to show breeding (which they never had).

The most detail you can get is from the backmark of the button, you need to include every 'star' & comma for a date range. Many of them were Firmin & Son.