lets fight, florida then the feds.

[seeker41]

ok, i tried to get something organized privately about 4 months ago but it hasn't worked out, i wish i was retired so i could put 100% of my time into this but im not!!!
is anyone interested in organizing all treasure hunters , bottle hunters, fossil hunters, indian artifact hunters, metal detectorists, shipwreck salvage ops, etc: for an all out effort to restore our treasure hunting freedoms?

wouldn't it be nice to detect,dive,locate and work wrecks in our rivers?

wouldn't it be nice to freely research, seek, recover and preserve our historical artifacts before they disappear forever

wouldn't it be nice to not have to spend two or three years jumping through hoops and turning over all your research in order to salvage a wreck
in probably 75% of all seeking and found item situations we should not have to ask mother may i !!!!! under no circumstances should we need a search permit!!!!!!!!!

we will be electing a new governor or in my personal hopes keeping the present governor nov 14th of this year, we should act now and and really make our presence known!!!!!

i hope everyone is very ready and that this is the beginning of something great rather than another ignored request! this is the time and hopefully the place to get this started!!!!!! lets act like free american citizens ready for a fight and not oppressed, defeated subjects!!!!!

chuck.

 

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[lost items recovery]

I'm in chuck! The rules are getting out of hand.

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[G.I.B.]

What legal team do you have willing to work pro bono?

I'm in as well-

 

[seeker41]

What legal team do you have willing to work pro bono?

I'm in as well-

none yet, im just getting started! maybe brent's, taff'si, and oddessys teams could step up?? and yes a legal team and pro lobbyist are badly needed!!

chuck.

 

[Boatlode]

Oh hell yeah. In.

 

[DnD]

I like your gung-ho enthusiasm but the initial statement seams to bite off a bit more than possible to chew. For example, fighting the rights bestowed to Indians is something sensitive to many people who could care less about metal detecting. Also, from what I have researched, as long as you pay Florida its cut, then there are programs in place so you can obtain salvage rights and salvor items for a profit.

Maybe you could begin by citing a specific law that you would like amended. Then we could discuss a basis for why it should be amended and/or a feasible way we can achieve compliance while still enjoying our hobby.

 

[Boatlode]

I like your gung-ho enthusiasm but the initial statement seams to bite off a bit more than possible to chew. For example, fighting the rights bestowed to Indians is something sensitive to many people who could care less about metal detecting. Also, from what I have researched, as long as you pay Florida its cut, then there are programs in place so you can obtain salvage rights and salvor items for a profit.

Maybe you could begin by citing a specific law that you would like amended. Then we could discuss a basis for why it should be amended and/or a feasible way we can achieve compliance while still enjoying our hobby.

Get rid of ALL the salvage laws. Finders keepers.

 

[DnD]

Get rid of ALL the salvage laws. Finders keepers.

lol..... well we might as well just ask them to ban immigration, government assistance, and the ability to once again let civilians use automatic weapons -- (for hunting of course).

 

[Boatlode]

lol..... well we might as well just ask them to ban immigration, government assistance, and the ability to once again let civilians use automatic weapons -- (for hunting of course).

Cool - you can count on my vote. Those BATF Class 3 permits are expensive.

 

[penzfan]

Be glad to help with the effort Chuck

Tony

 

[Fletch88]

I like your gung-ho enthusiasm but the initial statement seams to bite off a bit more than possible to chew. For example, fighting the rights bestowed to Indians is something sensitive to many people who could care less about metal detecting. Also, from what I have researched, as long as you pay Florida its cut, then there are programs in place so you can obtain salvage rights and salvor items for a profit. Maybe you could begin by citing a specific law that you would like amended. Then we could discuss a basis for why it should be amended and/or a feasible way we can achieve compliance while still enjoying our hobby.

Very good point DnD. I think you would have situations where it was basically like the Wild West if you lifted all the laws and procedures in place. People are bad enough over fishing spots, can you imagine the chaos of every weekend warrior fighting over sunken treasure?

 

[matrix master DBA]

Count me in chuck! Getting to be to many rules and regulations.

 

[bigscoop]

I think it all needs to begin with a well informed group of people who understand and know all of the various laws, and then I think all of these laws have to be weeded out and the proposed amendments to these laws then put together in some understood format. In other words, a million people screaming for change isn't going to effect much if they can't even present or understand all the proposed changes and compromises they want to address. So clearly we're talking lots and lots of money, lots and lots of legal hours, and lots and lots of organizing and lobbying, which still cost lots and lots of money. Now you have to consider that not everyone who supports change is going to support the measure of changes that you propose. Clearly you are talking a huge, costly, and lengthy undertaking, and that's just to be heard. All sad but true, I'm afraid.

 

[DrJoePrime]

I think it all needs to begin with a well informed group of people who understand and know all of the various laws ... .

Amen to that BigScoop!

 

[Boatlode]

I think you would have situations where it was basically like the Wild West if you lifted all the laws and procedures in place.

Bring it. I'm a better shot than 99.9% of the morons out there.

 

[Msbeepbeep]

Ya where was the ACLU when Fla. was removing your rights and freedoms?
You may have to pick your battles first, have a good look at what you think you can win, what's important to you to get back, etc. The state didn't take it all away all at once so I don't think they would be willing to just roll over and hand it all back.

You will also have to watch out who gets elected and their stance on this. That was/is one of the problems here in Mass. The wrong people have been in power for too long thus, our nanny state. They believe they know better how we should live our lives than we do.

We are still waiting to see how much we impressed them with our ruckus! They don't like lots of calls and e-mails! Personally I believe they are waiting till they think we aren't looking then they will try and pass the laws they want. But then I'm a pessimists.

Good luck to you, keep us updated and let us know if we can help.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Please remember to keep pure political statements out of thread......






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[penzfan]

I never miss with my 38 Special Shot Shells...

Bring it. I'm a better shot than 99.9% of the morons out there.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

seeker, it's already been done. It's called the FMDAC.

Our numbers/ranks are just too small to generate any large dollars and numbers needed. I mean, ... unlike the NRA (as an example) our hobby is just too niche and small to get lawyers and lobbyists like the NRA does.

And to be honest with you, you gotta be real careful about sounding alarms, creating fear, and "rushing out to fight" battles everytime you hear someone in authority give an md'r flack, or make some sort of rule, or suggest any sort of laws, etc... Well, at least as any sort of "pre-emptive" move. Sure, fight laws already existing, or "up for a vote", etc.... But no, not to run around and pre-empt things, clarify things, etc... Don't think you need to get "express allowance". Because you might just end up getting un-do attention and scrutiny on ourselves. To make oureselves "giant bullseyes" in need of law-maker's attentions, etc.... It's actually better when metal detecting is not addressed at all (no specific rule saying "no metal detectors"). Silence on the issue is best! And then just stay off their radar. Out of site is out of mind.

The only exception, as I say, is if there were truly something pending or an outright ban. Then, sure, you have nothing to loose by fighting it. A possible exception to even that though, is if neighboring cities, counties, states, and agencies take note of such fights, and then guess what? They too start to scrutinize, or follow suit, etc..... So in a way, I almost hope no one in authority thinks about me one bit.