Lecroy maybe,couple pieces

[kentucky Quinn]

Been hunting past couple days. East KY cliff cave finds

 

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[dognose]

Nice finds, the Lecroy looks serrated. I am a fan of serrations.

What is the material of the lecroy?

When you spotted the lecroy, how close to the cave entrance was this?

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Nice finds, the Lecroy looks serrated. I am a fan of serrations.

What is the material of the lecroy?

When you spotted the lecroy, how close to the cave entrance was this?

Thank you, and yes it is serrated. As far as material, it’s the grey/brown banded chert, find lots of it here. Some variation of Paoli I’m guessing. Found it about 3 ft below surface level within 2 ft inside the drip line , right where you guys told me to look. As far point type, I’m reconsidering it to be Fredricks maybe instead of the Lecroy. At least looking at the projectile points website, it favors the Fredricks shape more than Lecroy....either way I’m pumped. My partner actually pulled that one up, her first actual point by hand in the dirt. Typically she sends me the bucket, I’ll sift and find. Was a pretty good day for sure. Thank you

 

[Fat]

That is a neat piece, and good haul, overall.
That ground looks dry, crusty, cloddy, clay?
Do you rake or dig and screen?
Is it plenty dark and the lithic reflect your head lamp beam?
Will you please make a picture that show what the mouth of the cave looks like and one looking out from too, plz
The only caves in this area are really overhangs. Weathering action has caused the lighter stuff under a bedrock slab.
Ash hollow st. Historical park in Ne. Has a “ cave “ overhang that alot of stuff has been found over the years. Ill take a couple pics for you to see today.
I know when “hunting” is todays plan, your having a great day before the day just waiting for sunrise.

 

[Fat]

I think you answered my questions before even asked.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

That is a neat piece, and good haul, overall.
That ground looks dry, crusty, cloddy, clay?
Do you rake or dig and screen?
Is it plenty dark and the lithic reflect your head lamp beam?
Will you please make a picture that show what the mouth of the cave looks like and one looking out from too, plz
The only caves in this area are really overhangs. Weathering action has caused the lighter stuff under a bedrock slab.
Ash hollow st. Historical park in Ne. Has a “ cave “ overhang that alot of stuff has been found over the years. Ill take a couple pics for you to see today.
I know when “hunting” is todays plan, your having a great day before the day just waiting for sunrise.

So the soil varies a lot in here. It’s clay in places, sand, there’s black brown and gray dirts. Some places are real wet and the drip line area is really dry believe it or not. So this area does have a pretty decent cave or big room, and it is part or cliff overhang system that runs several hundreds of feet up above a large creek. We have just been working around the cave room and drip line area. Haven’t done much other than surface skim the rest of this overhang. I’ve filled a nice case with points and pieces from right in the mouth area. We believe we’ve hit a kitchen area below the large flat table rocks in past couple days. Finding lots of stuff, some brokers. Partner also found the nice hammer stone day before in same spot. Several feet down in dirt below the large table rocks. Here’s few pics of area. Also, I do 5 gallon buckets and sift between two trees down bank outside of cave. Also have success just digging scratching clawing around and under the big catch rocks inside.

Hard to get true sense of this place from the pictures. You can just feel the presence of the ancient peoples spirit down in here. I believe that these cliffs caves and overhangs were thriving with human life and activity above these big creeks. Great hunting fishing and shelter from Mother Nature and the beasts of the land. You guys have a great day out there. Thanks for looking

 

[islamoradamark]

Great pictures thanks I like that big crevice hole there could have been some stuff dropped down there

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Great pictures thanks I like that big crevice hole there could have been some stuff dropped down there

Thanks , yes the crevice hole is what I refer to as cave or room. It’s also the starting end of long cliff overhang where everything stays dry from nature. Room leaks down back wall so there is a stream of rain / mountain water that runs from back out along back wall and eventually off ledge and down bank towards creek. About 100 ft or so steeply above creek in cliff rocks

 

[sandchip]

Great spot and great find. I don't know anything about Fredericks, but I wasn't quite sold on it being a LeCroy. Thanks for the pics. We don't have spots like that around here.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Great spot and great find. I don't know anything about Fredericks, but I wasn't quite sold on it being a LeCroy. Thanks for the pics. We don't have spots like that around here.

I dont know about types either. Just guessing based off the type pic, how the ears are kinda triangles or turn up as opposed to straight across on Lecroy


https://projectilepoints.net/Points/Frederick.html

 

[Fat]

Thanks for the great pics. The shear mass of the overhanging piece gives me a great view in my minds eye.
The hole state of Kentucky has all kinds of geological features, Im beginning to learn about.
Smile hard.

 

[smallfoot]

I'm jealous of your hunting grounds. Looks like a beautiful place to spend a while..congrats on your finds!

 

[uniface]

A bifurcate for sure. But too thick and domed (edge to edge) to be a Lecroy -- at least the Lecroy I'm used to. Those were made on thin, potato chip flakes with edges left curved (vertically) -- no attempt to made the edges running in a straight line. They were hafted knives, and sometimes show silica phytogloss polish on their edges from having been used to cut grass, reed, stems.

 

[kentucky Quinn]

A bifurcate for sure. But too thick and domed (edge to edge) to be a Lecroy -- at least the Lecroy I'm used to. Those were made on thin, potato chip flakes with edges left curved (vertically) -- no attempt to made the edges running in a straight line. They were hafted knives, and sometimes show silica phytogloss polish on their edges from having been used to cut grass, reed, stems.

That’s kind of what we thought too as far as this little guy is almost 1/2 inch thick at center. I’m not real sure on type. Very serrated sides and tip. Let me know if you have a guess as to ID Still looking. Thanks

 

[uniface]

Many bifurcate types are more average configurations with slop room on either side than fixed "types." but Middle Archaic is stuff is off my screen.

IMO FWIW

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Many bifurcate types are more average configurations with slop room on either side than fixed "types." but Middle Archaic is stuff is off my screen.

IMO FWIW

Makes sense to me, thanks. Similarities of styles and overlapping characteristics of different types...make styles you’re taught then add your own style from pieces you might have seen, found, or come in contact with. Make the piece similar or as you remember it being. Lots of variables at work for sure. Many different things probably influence what the finished product ends up being, and that’s not touching on the stuff that gets re-worked into other tools. Anyhow , been a great couple days in the dirt.