Lead Counterfeit & other Oddities

[steelheadwill]

Lead Counterfeit & other Oddities

Hello Everyone,
the place I've been searching lately was used for much lead casting,
found many balls with sprues, unfinished longline jigs, and piles of lead slag,
a 30lb stamped lead ingot, and an 18 gram lead Draped Cent.
So here's the newest lead find, I believe it was meant to be a copy of an early quarter, not much left to it except the multipointed incused stars, traces of 'United'
and some crude reeding.
correct diameter for a quarter, about 6 grams in weight.
Found 2 lead jigs with the usual hole and V cut on top, one never finished, note the sprue like a nail head where the hook would go.
I would assume the brass piece to be a ship spike,
but why the fancy handwork
got piece of a large silver soupspoon, marked 184?, why it was bent & cleanly sheared off is another mystery, anyway 28 grams scrap silver
A ringed .32 ricochet, .58 cal ball, and a lead piece shaped like an orange section, have found these in various sizes before, has anyone else dug these
thanks for looking and Best Digs to Everyone

 

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[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

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I think it is more than just a spike, why the fancy head ?

 

[steelheadwill]

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I think it is more than just a spike, why the fancy head ?

Agreed Rick,
Dozens or Hundreds of spikes found here, none like this.
Maybe a whatsit post soon.

 

[EagleDown]

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I think it is more than just a spike, why the fancy head ?

Hmmm, Interesting. My first thought was of the nails used today for a temporary hold. They have double heads so that they can be drawn out when the need for them was finished.

But, this "spike" could bare further research.

Great finds as usual. Congratulations.

Eagle

 

[romeo-1]

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That brass spike is very interesting...

 

[MaineRelic]

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Nice finds Herbie ! I like the counterfits But I really really like That spike ? I think I have seen one similiar somewhere I'll have to see if I can find it again ! Nice looking Item MaineRelic

 

[VOL1266-X]

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Most interesting relics Herbie. Somebody was sure trying to copy something there. Interesting spike too. HH, Quindy.

 

[DD-777]

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Interesting finds for sure. That brass piece is most likely a punch or scribe used for ? Don't think it's a spike. Unsure of what it would have been used on though as most I have seen have been made of steel. Have seen smaller ones used in making clocks...


Maybe for a jeweler?

 

[Charlene]

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Cool finds and odd is right.

 

[Silver Searcher]

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The bronze-brass pin is very interesting and could be quite old

SS

 

[NHBandit]

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Cool finds as always Herbie. Being a sea port & fishing village for the past 400 years I'm wondering if the brass spike might be a tool for repairing nets or sails ? It looks like it would be handy for making or untying knots.

 

[johnnyblaze]

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Nice hunk of silver


Blaze

 

[romeo-1]

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The bronze-brass pin is very interesting and could be quite old

SS

That's what I was thinking as well, old...it almost looks like something you guys would find on a Roman site...

 

[GL]

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Ancient oyster cracker.

 

[CrazySlasher]

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Very cool counterfeit!

 

[Daedalus]

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The Bronze spike or pin looks like a guide pin for ship building , it was put in the planks to hold them in line after they had been taken out of the boil and bent over the ribs to form the hull . After this the larger ships Nails or spikes were driven and pegged into the hull , after they got the Planking on the Hull then they could take and put a wrench on the end and turn the spike back and forth to be able to take it out and put the final pegs in and the copper nails that would make the final hold.

There are some diagrams of this on the web and how it was done. We used this same style in Engineering School to build a hull as it was done in the old day's .
But it does look like what it is. But I can not be positive as there where many styles .
And this same technique was used to hold the parts for some of the first aircraft that were built.

 

[Broken knee]

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I think the brass item is a MARLINE SPIKE

The marlinespike is a very simple and incredibly useful tool, primarily designed to be pushed through rope. Hence the term "marlinespike seamanship."�

A marlinespike itself is no more than a round, tapered piece of metal. It may or may not have a head or a knob at the top. Most commercially-available marlinespikes come to a more-or-less sharp point. I prefer the point to be flattened to a "duck bill,"� which makes it easier to push the spike through a rope without breaking anything.

A marlinespike can be used to separate the strands of a three-strand rope for splicing and to lever apart tightly-jammed knots. Naturally, it is very helpful when working with small stuff – like marline. For example, to pull small lines tight, as you would in a seizing, without the line cutting into your hand, you can use a marlinespike hitch to attach the spike to the line, and then use the spike as a handle.

Of course, you will find it useful for any number of jobs involving prying or separating small objects – or even for opening pop tops. It truly is an indispensable tool.HH
Broken Knee

 

[NHBandit]

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I think the brass item is a MARLINE SPIKE

The marlinespike is a very simple and incredibly useful tool, primarily designed to be pushed through rope. Hence the term "marlinespike seamanship."�

A marlinespike itself is no more than a round, tapered piece of metal. It may or may not have a head or a knob at the top. Most commercially-available marlinespikes come to a more-or-less sharp point. I prefer the point to be flattened to a "duck bill,"� which makes it easier to push the spike through a rope without breaking anything.

A marlinespike can be used to separate the strands of a three-strand rope for splicing and to lever apart tightly-jammed knots. Naturally, it is very helpful when working with small stuff – like marline. For example, to pull small lines tight, as you would in a seizing, without the line cutting into your hand, you can use a marlinespike hitch to attach the spike to the line, and then use the spike as a handle.

Of course, you will find it useful for any number of jobs involving prying or separating small objects – or even for opening pop tops. It truly is an indispensable tool.HH
Broken Knee

Exactly what I was trying to say but for the life of me, I couldn't remember what they were called. I have also seen them as one of the tools included with a pocket knife. http://www.worldknives.com/products/myerchin-p300-sailors-tool-knife-silver-pl300sl-2228.html

 

[Deno]

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Neat bunch of stuff. That's what makes this hobby so much fun.

You just never know what will come up next.

 

[steelheadwill]

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Those are a couple good theories,
I love the piece, it's a work of art.
When I found my first longline mackeral jigs, I thought they were marlinspikes,
didn't know the name, called them 'fids'
same idea, tool for splicing ropes, repairing nets.
You could also use it to keep boards in place,
17th-18th century boatyard tool.
have found hundreds of lead jigs, and one of brass (actually I don't know what metal,
but a lot harder than lead)
maybe a smaller tool. (pic below)
The shape and spacing of stars, and the beaded edge on the lead look like capped bust quarter 1815-38.
It would't be too hard to impress lead with a couple quarters,
but the reeding
Definite mirror image lettering.
I may get some more detail, soaking now. will update tomorrow.
Thanks for your replies