King George Copper Type?

[barry61]

Wondering if this King George Copper is Machin Mills variety.

 

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[Mackaydon]

My first thought: I doubt it.
Machin Mills mint started in 1787. I don't think he backdated his counterfeits that far.
Source:http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Machin.intro.html
Don.......

 

[Don in SJ]

Machin Mills were back dated, I see some dated 1771 in the C4 Nov 2007 auction catalog. However, the coin in question if it is of Regal weight is a legitmate KGIII colonial, which I have not see any found in our area out of over a hundred that were identifiable. A regal KGIII if ground found is in the minority for finding in America. Counterfeits are in the mid to high 90% range for KGIII coppers.

On this website I am including, compare your 1772 with the Regal one and see if you see any differences.

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/Counterfeits_page1.html

Don

 

[CRUSADER]

Machin Mills were back dated, I see some dated 1771 in the C4 Nov 2007 auction catalog. However, the coin in question if it is of Regal weight is a legitmate KGIII colonial, which I have not see any found in our area out of over a hundred that were identifiable. A regal KGIII if ground found is in the minority for finding in America. Counterfeits are in the mid to high 90% range for KGIII coppers.

On this website I am including, compare your 1772 with the Regal one and see if you see any differences.

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/Counterfeits_page1.html

Don

If this is a counterfeit, which you imply. Then its the best one I have seen so far. Best weigh it to find out, as it looks like the 1-10 real ones. IMHO.

 

[Don in SJ]

Machin Mills were back dated, I see some dated 1771 in the C4 Nov 2007 auction catalog. However, the coin in question if it is of Regal weight is a legitmate KGIII colonial, which I have not see any found in our area out of over a hundred that were identifiable. A regal KGIII if ground found is in the minority for finding in America. Counterfeits are in the mid to high 90% range for KGIII coppers.

On this website I am including, compare your 1772 with the Regal one and see if you see any differences.

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/Counterfeits_page1.html

Don

If this is a counterfeit, which you imply. Then its the best one I have seen so far. Best weigh it to find out, as it looks like the 1-10 real ones. IMHO.

Actually I am saying it looks like a Regal which is almost never found as a ground found in America. But without the weight listed cannot be 100% sure.

Don

 

[CRUSADER]

Machin Mills were back dated, I see some dated 1771 in the C4 Nov 2007 auction catalog. However, the coin in question if it is of Regal weight is a legitmate KGIII colonial, which I have not see any found in our area out of over a hundred that were identifiable. A regal KGIII if ground found is in the minority for finding in America. Counterfeits are in the mid to high 90% range for KGIII coppers.

On this website I am including, compare your 1772 with the Regal one and see if you see any differences.

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/Counterfeits_page1.html

Don

If this is a counterfeit, which you imply. Then its the best one I have seen so far. Best weigh it to find out, as it looks like the 1-10 real ones. IMHO.

Actually I am saying it looks like a Regal which is almost never found as a ground found in America. But without the weight listed cannot be 100% sure.

Don

Sorry miss read it, then we agree. Its in great condition & fairly rare! Good find

 

[BuckleBoy]

EXCELLENT FIND! Can you post the weight?

 

[barry61]

The weight is 154.3 gns

 

[Don in SJ]

At that weight, no doubt, appearance and weight confirm, it is a Regal KGIII, is this a ground found or a buy or cigar box find? I have no recent record of a Regal KGIII being found in the states, again, the vast majority of KGIII's are counterfeits, although it is the counterfeits that hold the collectors interest here and not the Regals.

Don

 

[barry61]

I found this in the ground in upstate NY at a Fort site.

 

[robfinds]

George 111 Halfpenny, First issue Tower mint London, Seaby 3774.

 

[robfinds]

Hi barry, this is one from my collection, yours looks in much better condition.

 

[Montana Jim]

Hey Don... is this a banner find??

From what I read it's a significant coin!

 

[Don in SJ]

Hey Don... is this a banner find??

From what I read it's a significant coin!

It is not a significant find, KGIII Halfpennies are common, just that they were not distributed in America. Worth is less than most counterfeits, since most of them somewhat have a personality of their own.

I just find it interesting that so few have been found by detectorists, although I am sure most who have found KGIII coppers think one of two things. I got a regular KGIII Halfpenny or I must have a Machins Mills Halfpenny. Well, almost all of the time it will be a counterfeit of some type and not a Machins Mills, nor a Regal Halfpenny, which are not found too often.

Don