Kidd treasure provinence search

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kiddfinder

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My brother and I used to play pirate all the time on a large ship-shaped bolder, so this is kind of sureal to me. After a long search and having found clues in the form of a marker, and having found some gold, I am looking for provinence information for not only Capt. William Kidd, but also his crew and associations. I am posting what I found, but not yet the details or pics of the location.

Please only documented locations and person/ship names.

Again, not looking for clues to find, but clues to identify. The pics you will see have been verified already as to their most likely sources, but documentation is necessary to move foward with an official archeological recovery.
If you can assist with this historical find, thank you. I am sorry, but I have to be as vague to only focus on New England waterways.
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You've posted a picture of what appears to be an iron nail or spike and another picture of what appears to be a golden colored
metallic object that may once have been subjected to melting - I hope this is helpful - you did ask for "clues to identify " ,
(I think they may be confidently documented as an iron spike or nail , and a golden looking object !)
 

I had a good link to this story somewhere:icon_scratch:

Many have looked for it the only problem is most of the seacoast has been developed..

Ill try to find the link..

Blaze
 

Argentium said:
You've posted a picture of what appears to be an iron nail or spike and another picture of what appears to be a golden colored
metallic object that may once have been subjected to melting - I hope this is helpful - you did ask for "clues to identify " ,
(I think they may be confidently documented as an iron spike or nail , and a golden looking object !)
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Thankyou for your input. These articles though will be documented as what they tested out to be; a 12" hand-wraught plank spike from a wooden ship, also tested chemicaly and microscopicaly to be 300-350 years old
And the previously melted shiney object tested to be 24k gold with .003 % Ag inclusion.

Again, thanks for your oh so valuable opinion.
 

rampuffpuff said:
Thankyou for your input. These articles though will be documented as what they tested out to be; a 12" hand-wraught plank spike from a wooden ship, also tested chemicaly and microscopicaly to be 300-350 years old
And the previously melted shiney object tested to be 24k gold with .003 % Ag inclusion.

Again, thanks for your oh so valuable opinion.
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...so post that in the first place and try to be clear as to what it is you want from us....your vagueness is not going to get you much response, nor will sarcasm.
 

A FRIEND OF MY GOOD FRIEND HAS FOUND PIECES OF EIGHT ON SMALL ISLANDS IN THE CT RIVER THAT HE THOUGHT MIGHT BE PART OF A KIDD TREASURE - AND ANOTHER GUY FOUND SOME LARGE SPANISH SILVER NEAR THE RIVER ALSO
 

unclemac said:
...so post that in the first place and try to be clear as to what it is you want from us....your vagueness is not going to get you much response, nor will sarcasm.
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And you don't call Argentium's reply sarcastic!?!?!!!

You plant corn...
You get corn.

Figure it out.
 

CASPER-2 said:
A FRIEND OF MY GOOD FRIEND HAS FOUND PIECES OF EIGHT ON SMALL ISLANDS IN THE CT RIVER THAT HE THOUGHT MIGHT BE PART OF A KIDD TREASURE - AND ANOTHER GUY FOUND SOME LARGE SPANISH SILVER NEAR THE RIVER ALSO
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It is quite probable that Kidd fudged a little bit on his personal accounting of how much of the silver and gold he spent in Hispañola to purchase the sloop and outfit it.

And what was buried was most likely Kidd's men's sea chests, not his own, as they scattered.
 

CASPER-2,

There is a very good chance that silver exists in good quantity from Kidd's prizes for the following reasons:

1. Kidd, like most liars, did not subscribe to logic, and often didn't realize how obvious his goal. In Kidd's own personal account presented to the crown, he made every effort to mention reasons why there was no treasure left or that it was spent.

2. Kidd's assertion was that Cuilliford and the diserters from his own crew vigorously raided the Galley and Adventure Prize over and over of everything of value, and even robbed his estate of all Kidd's belongings, to demonstrate he was without money or posessions... THEN

3. Kidd tries to explain the pieces of eight in hindsight, saying he spent 11,200 pieces on buying the St Anthony and in supplies, AFTER being relived of all his possessions.

4. He never tried to sell the Adventure Prize, just leaving it, most likely because he had plenty of money, OR.... he did sell it as I suspect, and cover up the sale by having his men destroy the ship. I need more time to get all the pieces.

5. The men that stayed with him had to be motivated by something, and was most likely they were already paid off.

6. It is the payoff treasure I was after, and still am because there is more than 1 out
there. As it is documented, Kidd's crew left with their own treasure, but with a potential price on all their heads, much of it was hidden, even the stuff that would decay as I have discovered first hand.,
 

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Many people don't realize also that Kidd and/or his crew members are the only (alleged) pirates ever documented as having buried treasure anf having it found. Men behave out of habit, and similarities count as clues. To use a hypothetical, if someone hid something in a location they were convinced was safe, they would find a similar place for the other items, especially if they didn't get word in time that the first location had been compromised.

Things that would either hinder or help would be river/lake/sea errosion. Things that would hinder, protected state or federal land. Thing that would help, land with no legal precident regarding treasure trove, and "maintained" for a specific purpose.

Ok, so put on your thinking caps, engage logic, and start looking near southern New England waterways.

I've said waaaaaay too much...
 

Research House of Commons, Btitish Parlament records for more complete insight into what St Anthony carried, and the alegations by the East India Company.
 

Perhaps the most intriguing concept I have encountered, and which may cause some debate, there is enough evidence I have uncovered which suggests the Adventure Prise was actually sold, and that Kidd loyalists were actually left behind to rid the new owner of his possession. I have encountered the name of the vessel as having been lost and under a new name of registry and ownership.

If my suspicions are correct, Kidd took with him on the St Anthony the monies he received for the sale of his prize ship which back then should have fetched 50,000 to 100,000 sterling pounds or equivalent in goods.

Kidd may have been railroaded, but he was a pirate in a lot of ways.... just more shrewd than cut throat than others.
 

kiddfinder said:
My brother and I used to play pirate all the time on a large ship-shaped bolder, so this is kind of sureal to me. After a long search and having found clues in the form of a marker, and having found some gold, I am looking for provinence information for not only Capt. William Kidd, but also his crew and associations. I am posting what I found, but not yet the details or pics of the location.

Please only documented locations and person/ship names.

Again, not looking for clues to find, but clues to identify. The pics you will see have been verified already as to their most likely sources, but documentation is necessary to move foward with an official archeological recovery.
If you can assist with this historical find, thank you. I am sorry, but I have to be as vague to only focus on New England waterways.
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Sweet Yellow Nectar!!!! Congrats!!! Good Luck!!!
 

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