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Depends on the state it happen in. Liberal state or conservative state.
In a conservative state there would be some resistance inside as there are a lot of armed citizens carrying concealed. They may all be killed but I would rather die defending my wife and the innocent, than die while huddling in a corner with no chance to defend.
In a crowed mall in states with conceal carry I bet there are dozens with concealed weapons......
Everyone I know who has license carries all the time..... There are over 2 million CWL holders in Fla and growing ever day. Average time from filing till you get license is now 4+ months due to flood of applicants.
I called police station to get appointment to apply electronically, get finger printed and filed and found out it was 3+ months just to get appointment. I decided to do it all myself.
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I don't think it could happen here because this Kenya thing is a jihad deal and they are well armed by a government with a religious purpose and manned by dumba$$es that are wanting to die for sexual reasons, not spiritual. Only thing close here would be a bunch of drunk KKK members on any given Saturday night.
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yep...being attacked is directly tied to what political party you belong too...
yep...being attacked is directly tied to what political party you belong too...
No one said it was tied to political party, what was said was the response inside a mall would be different depending on the political leaning of the state which directly affects the gun laws in effect.
A conservative state with open carry or CWL will have citizens that are armed in a mall vs a liberal state that forbids armed citizens carrying in public places like malls......
There are over 2 million Fla residents with conceal carry permits and growing every day...
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We have to remember that Kenya went into Somalia just a few years ago and fought a retracted war against the rebels there. So, perhaps the number one reason is revenge.
Westgate mall attack has roots in Kenya's intervention in Somalia | World news | theguardian.com
Westgate mall attack has roots in Kenya's intervention in Somalia
Militants believed to be behind deadly Nairobi siege believe neighbour's interference is causing them to lose grip in Somalia
Kenya has suffered a series of attacks, building up to the siege at Westgate mall, as a result of its involvement in Somalia. Photograph: Reuters
The situation at the Westgate mall in Nairobi is the latest manifestation of the increasingly tangled ties between Kenya and its anarchic Horn of Africa neighbour Somalia.
Somalia has been without a recognised central government since 1991, when President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown. The country has since splintered under the control of various groups, including transitional federal institutions and the Islamic Courts Union – which at one point controlled much of south and central Somalia. There are also the breakaway states of Somaliland, Puntland and Jubaland.
Successive international interventions, including the African Union mission in Somalia (Amisom), Kenyan and Ethiopian armed forces, and the most recent United Nations assistance mission in Somalia (Unsom), deployed in July, have all failed to contain the security situation in the country.
Many blame international involvement, including by the US, for exacerbating the situation by picking sides in the conflict and pitting factions against one another. The rise of al-Shabaab – an al-Qaida inspired group that emerged from the courts movement in retaliation against what was seen as the interference of foreign powers – has brought an increasingly unpredictable element to the conflict.
Kenya, which has suffered a series of attacks building up to the events of at Westgate as a result of its involvement in Somalia, sent troops into the country in October 2011 to fight al-Shabaab, vowing to pull them out by Christmas. Yet the group remains a symbol of the intransigent nature of Somalia's security problems.
Since 2010, when Mogadishu was the scene of bloody urban warfare, there have been signs of recovery, with a growing number of Somalis from the diaspora returning to the country and a mini-property boom in the capital.
But some analysts say that as al-Shabaab has lost its stronghold over parts of the country, it has become an increasingly desperate movement, posing a greater security threat than ever.
"Al-Shabaab has lost a lot of territory," said Rashd Abdi, a Somalia expert in Nairobi. "It is an increasingly diminished movement, it has alienated many Somalis. To make up for those losses, [al-Shabaab] has stepped up its asymmetric warfare tactics. Mogadishu is now more unsafe – with bombings, assassinations, grenade attacks, and we are now seeing this become regionalised.
"My fear is that it may also become internationalised – al-Shabaab supporters around the globe may want to launch an attack like this."
Westgate mall attack has roots in Kenya's intervention in Somalia | World news | theguardian.com
Westgate mall attack has roots in Kenya's intervention in Somalia
Militants believed to be behind deadly Nairobi siege believe neighbour's interference is causing them to lose grip in Somalia
Kenya has suffered a series of attacks, building up to the siege at Westgate mall, as a result of its involvement in Somalia. Photograph: Reuters
The situation at the Westgate mall in Nairobi is the latest manifestation of the increasingly tangled ties between Kenya and its anarchic Horn of Africa neighbour Somalia.
Somalia has been without a recognised central government since 1991, when President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown. The country has since splintered under the control of various groups, including transitional federal institutions and the Islamic Courts Union – which at one point controlled much of south and central Somalia. There are also the breakaway states of Somaliland, Puntland and Jubaland.
Successive international interventions, including the African Union mission in Somalia (Amisom), Kenyan and Ethiopian armed forces, and the most recent United Nations assistance mission in Somalia (Unsom), deployed in July, have all failed to contain the security situation in the country.
Many blame international involvement, including by the US, for exacerbating the situation by picking sides in the conflict and pitting factions against one another. The rise of al-Shabaab – an al-Qaida inspired group that emerged from the courts movement in retaliation against what was seen as the interference of foreign powers – has brought an increasingly unpredictable element to the conflict.
Kenya, which has suffered a series of attacks building up to the events of at Westgate as a result of its involvement in Somalia, sent troops into the country in October 2011 to fight al-Shabaab, vowing to pull them out by Christmas. Yet the group remains a symbol of the intransigent nature of Somalia's security problems.
Since 2010, when Mogadishu was the scene of bloody urban warfare, there have been signs of recovery, with a growing number of Somalis from the diaspora returning to the country and a mini-property boom in the capital.
But some analysts say that as al-Shabaab has lost its stronghold over parts of the country, it has become an increasingly desperate movement, posing a greater security threat than ever.
"Al-Shabaab has lost a lot of territory," said Rashd Abdi, a Somalia expert in Nairobi. "It is an increasingly diminished movement, it has alienated many Somalis. To make up for those losses, [al-Shabaab] has stepped up its asymmetric warfare tactics. Mogadishu is now more unsafe – with bombings, assassinations, grenade attacks, and we are now seeing this become regionalised.
"My fear is that it may also become internationalised – al-Shabaab supporters around the globe may want to launch an attack like this."
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