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i've narrowed down my choices...

Hello everyone! This is my first time posting! I've been lurking here for a few days however and have enjoyed everyones postings immensely.

Another first: Metal Detecting! I recently took a trip to Italy and after fantasizing about all the undiscovered coins and relics beneath my feet in Rome and Pompeii I realized that there were probably equally exciting treasures back home around Seattle. I've been able to think of little since, especially seeing how active and exciting the 'Todays Finds' forum is.

Today I rushed out to Fry's electronics to pick up an Ace 250, since it seemed to be the recommended beginner's detector (and it was the only detector for sale I could find in the Seattle area!) but it was sold out. I had to settle for an Ace 150. I reckon it will keep me occupied until I decide on my next detector, which brings me to the point of this post.

After digging around on this forum and others, as best as I can tell in the ~$1000 price range the best detector you can buy, feature for features, is either the Minelab Explorer 2 or the Whites MXT Tracker.

I am leaning towards the Explorer 2 at the moment. It seems to be a favorite of many people, and if the manufacturer's description is to be believed, it is excellent in discriminating between iron and good targets (ie, a nail and a coin) even when they're right next to each other. That seems like an important feature to have in a detector.

I was hoping people with experience with these (and other detectors in this price range) could help me make a decision about which detector to buy, and possibly recommendations on where to buy it. (ebay and kellyco are at the top of my list for dealers thus far)

Primarily, I envision myself using my detector to comb nearby parks and beaches (In Seattle, my short list includes Alki beach, Greenlake, and Marymoor park). I would be hunting the usual things: coins, jewelry, and class rings in the hopes of reuniting them with their owners (sappy!)

I realize that a lot about choosing a detector and being successful with it depends on understanding the device and practicing with it. Lets assume that I will do this with all diligence! What i'd like help with is understanding how these detectors are different, or if my research has left out a comparable detector with a must-have feature. Furthermore, if these detectors don't offer much more than what a much less expensive detector can do, that would be interesting to know, too.


One final question: I was leaning towards the Garrett brands due to their GTI technology but I was unable to find many recommendations here for the 2500 pro. As I understand it, GTI reports a guess as to the size of the object detected. Furthermore, if it thinks it has found a coin, it will report the denomination. These sound like useful features to have. Is GTI a technology that other detectors lack?

Thanks for any help! Tomorrow morning i'm going to strike out with my Ace 150. I'll report my findings, be they pulltabs or better!

John
 

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You've got the best thing going already--enthusiasm. Keep that going and you'll win with whatever machine you buy. You'll do well with your 150. It has the same depth as the 250, just fewer bells and whistles.

I haven't used the Explorer yet (soon?) but I have used the Excalibur. Minelabs are slower and more sensitive than most detectors. If you're the type with lots of patience and time to hunt a single area, Minelab is a decent choice. If you're limited in time and want to do a fast in and out for coins/rings in the 4 to 8 inch range--go one of Fisher's higher range models. There are also many other great machines but I don't have much experience with them.

Have fun.

Zeb

Added Note: With most fast operating machines, you get a signal, check it once or twice, dig or forget it. With Minelabs you think you swung over something, you recheck it. Yep! You check again, you check it again, you adjust your machine and recheck it again, etc., etc., etc. Finally you think: "heck, I've got so much time into this I might as well dig it up." So, you end up digging many targets you might otherwise have just passed by. When using a Minelab, use minimum discrimination and dig all potential targets. Minelabs big plus is its ability to mask out iron.
 

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Good luck with your Ace -- I have a 250 and it is a pretty good machine. I got my EX2 from Kellyco -- I would suggest that you get the 8" coil too -- I use it just as much if not more than the 10.5 stock coil. You may see some feedback about the pinpointing, but the 8" is dead on!! Best of luck and look forward to seeing some of your finds :)
 

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Thanks all for the encouraging feedback!

My report, as promised:

After a few modifications to my Ace 150 (I had to hardwire headphones to the circuitboard and disconnect the speaker since I didn't have a large headphone jack adaptor on hand) I headed down to Alki beach...

It's a good thing I had enthusiasm going for me today as I didn't have much else. Being that this is Seattle, there was a light drizzle when I started out this morning, which increased steadily over time. Digging around in wet dirt at the crack of dawn while seagulls crowd around looking for a handout isn't exactly ideal MD'ing weather.

Despite the Ace 150 being a low end detector it was a lot of fun to use. There are only a few buttons: power, sensitivity, and mode. Sensitivity cycles through about five levels, with the lowest being able to pick up a quarter in the sand with a rapid left-to-right sweep. Mode cycles between all metals, jewelry, and coins. In a test run in my house, when in coin mode the detector would ignore a screwdriver and a pulltab, but would ping on coins of all denominations as well as engagement rings (I had some explaining to do though when my fiance's ring showed up as 'nickle' on the display!)

With the lowest sensitivity and in all metal mode I wandered down the beach, taking care to search around large logs which were placed as benches, and near campfire sites.

The area was quite trashy. I'd get a few iron tones every 30 yards, which turned out to be bits of nails or scrap. I would also get coin tones mixed with iron tones which usually turned out to be a chunk of aluminum or foil. I also discovered something that resembled globs of melted aluminum that registered as coin. A few bottlecaps and a giant rusty nail later the rain was frustrating so I packed up and headed home.

I probably spent 30 - 45 minutes on the beach, with most of it being a rapid walk in a wandering path about 600 yards long. I would have been thrilled to find a single penny -- and probably woudn't have gone home till I found one if it wasn't for the rain!

I don't think i'll try Alki beach on my next outing. I will keep my eyes peeled on concerts and other events that take place on the beach though, as i'm sure right afterward i'd have better luck with the loot.

One thing I started doing as I was walking up the beach was throwing a quarter somewhere up ahead in my path. This did wonders for my morale, as i'd almost forget about it due to trash digging along the way and would get the excitement of a strong coin tone as i swept past. It also did a lot for my confidence in the device. I could swing the coil quite rapidly overtop (not a golfclub swing, but close!) and i'd still get a strong and accurate reading!

I don't think i've outgrown the Ace yet, but it did give me some appreciation for more sophisticated detectors. When discovering trash I really would have enjoyed better discrimination. On most trash i'd get an iron tone followed by a coin tone, then another iron, and then different tones if i changed the axis of my swing. Pinpointing was difficult. I didn't bother digging these hits up.

I think i'm going to try a few parks on my next outing, and possibly contact elementary schools to see if I can hit the monkey bars for childrens milk money. Clearly, I have some research to do to find optimal places to MD.
 

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Humm..maybe so. I read several postings on here months ago that the 250 and 150 got the same depth. I had a 150 but never used it. It came with my purchase of the Excalibur from KellyCo. I sold it on ebay for $115.

So, my statement was based on postings here, not actual experience.
 

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Too bad you didn't get the 250 as it's all the detector you need for quite awhile. The 150 is a good machine but lacks the features of the 250, especially pinpoint. The GTI's are the only detectors with imaging and it is addicting once you use it. I have field tested most of Garrett's detectors and the 2500 is in a class all its own.

The Explorer is a good machine but has a steep learning curve. The GTI's are much easier to learn and use and will find anything the Explorer will.

Bill
 

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Thanks for the advice Bill.

The GTI was my first choice (due to imaging features) but it seemed like every list I found mentioning favorite detectors had the explorer coming out on top. I wasn't sure if it was because there was a vocal group of explorer users or if it was because the explorer was actually better than the GTI.

If the GTI is much easier to learn and use and finds anything the explorer will, it sounds like the GTI is actually the detector for me. The Ace 150 has definitely shown me that simplicity is good when out in the field. With it I could appreciate not having to tweak and fiddle with knobs; I would rather be marching forward and sweeping!

I really wish there was a detector shop in the Seattle area where I could compare devices. Fry's Electronics is the only local store i've found that carries metal detectors. (on the up side, this means there are fewer people out there MD'ing in my neighborhood!)

Before I forget: did anyone have dealer recommendations? I keep reading mixed reviews of Kellyco, which would be my first choice to shop (despite the gaudy website)
 

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Hi Jon,
I am new here myself. I am in Wenatchee, not far from you. There is a dealer in Renton on Wells Ave. I am going to be making trips over there once it starts snowing here, so I can detect all year. There are a lot of ghost towns and abandond farms around here if your ever up to the drive over.

Paul
 

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Hi John,
Alki is hunted heavily, but good finds aren't uncommon during low tides. Alki use to be an amusment park on a pier in the early 1900's. Golden Gardens parl also use to be an amusement park on a peir, gold coins are ocassionally found there at low tide. You have a lot of great ground to cover over there!

Paul
 

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sounds like another "shark pit!"............. :o
 

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Shark pit? Is that what happens when you get a bunch of folks with detectors out on a low tide? ;D

Warsawdaddy, thanks for the seattle club link. I'm going to email the board and see if I can tag along on their next outing. That ought to speed up my MD education with a quickness.

Hi Paul, nice to meet you. If you've got ghost towns and farms up there in Wenatchee then you can bet i'll be coming that way! I'm going to piddle around seattle parks a few more times, make a decision about a detector upgrade (the EXP II is at the top of my list, i'll probably buy one this week), and then get serious about my research and planning. Perhaps we can team up sometime -- i'd like that.

I'll let you know how things go at Alki and Golden Gardens. My fiance knows of it -- said she's been there.. but i'm sure she hasn't been there at the crack of dawn! ;)

John
 

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Steer clear of the harbor seals, they aren't very friendly. Get a tide table chart from big 5 sporting goods, or check the PI for them on the weather page. You should check into renting before you buy, the shop in Renton rents for I think $25 for a weekend. Don't worry, we'll get plenty of get togethers, I plan on heading over there once the ground freezes here.

Paul
 

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Explorer2 is a great machine, the DFX and XLT have way more tweaks available for a tuner, meaning (the top line White's are more adjustable & possibly more confusing).

I went for the Minelab and I haven't come to regret it at all!
White's are great as well, but the Explorer is simply amazing!

HH

JW
 

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