Is canon ball still live??

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After some cleaning, these two balls and one strange cone shaped object show signs of being "plugged"?

the largest ball (2 3/4 diam) has a large plug
the second ball (2 1/4 diam) has a smaller plug
the cone (2" base, 1 1/2 high) has plug in the base

all seem to be molten lead??

any ideas??

(drill or not to drill...... :icon_scratch:)



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You say they are lead, so I assume you've magnet-checked them. My answer: There have never been any explosive lead balls. Of course, explosive lead bullets exist, but those are all bullet-shaped, not spherical.

I believe the odd marks on your lead balls are moldcasting marks, and some impurities in the lead.
 

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Nice finds regardless of what they are johnsas.
 

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After some cleaning, these two balls and one strange cone shaped object show signs of being "plugged"?

the largest ball (2 3/4 diam) has a large plug
the second ball (2 1/4 diam) has a smaller plug
the cone (2" base, 1 1/2 high) has plug in the base

all seem to be molten lead??

any ideas??

(drill or not to drill...... :icon_scratch:)



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Cool thanks!!

plugging in the drill now........ :laughing9:
 

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Just curious, why would you drill out a cannon ball?
What's the reason for making balls from lead?
just looking for an education
Thanks
Bradyboy
 

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Just curious, why would you drill out a cannon ball?
What's the reason for making balls from lead?
just looking for an education
Thanks
Bradyboy


if it had powder in, drilling the plug would get this out?
 

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johnsas,if you found these in the water,they might be

Offered here is an assortment of vintage lead weights (for fishing).
Unique shapes...great for use or display. Apprx 10.5 pounds in all.
Round/sphere shaped weights measure up to 2". The rest are smaller
vintage lead weights over 10 pounds vintage by theartfloozy
 

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if it had powder in, drilling the plug would get this out?

OH GOOD LORD NO!!!!

If a cannonball has powder in it, drilling it will KILL YOU.

Seriously. I'm not exagerating. Time underground doesn't inert the explosive capabilities of dug shells, even after centuries. Civil War shells can and do still explode. In fact, the brakdown of some of the powder creates a pressurized, explosive gas mixtures that is MORE dangerous than the powder itself. Any timy amount of heat inside the shell created by the drill can easily set it off.

Disarming a shell is something that should ONLY EVER beattempted by a PROFESSIONAL with the PROPER SAFETY EQUIPMENT. A remote drill press, a water cooling system, etc. If you don't know what you need to do it safely, you shouldn't be doing it.

Yeesh.
 

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.....Or at least wear ear plugs!!!
 

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The following is my testimony as a US-Government-recognized expert on civil war (and earlier) artillery projectiles, and a Professional Inerter/Deactivator of them for over 35 years. I've "Inerted" civil war shells for the US National Park Service. I've also taught Police Bomb Squad and ARMY EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) classes about civil war artillery shells & fuzes, and how to Inert them.

Gtoast99 wrote:
> If a cannonball has powder in it, drilling it will KILL YOU.

False. Tens-of-thousands of cannonballs have gotten drilled, and in all the years since the end of the 1800s only one person has been killed during drilling a cannonball. (In 2008, a second person was killed when sparks from a grinder got into the (open) powder-chamber of a cannonball he was using the grinder on -- he was not drilling into it when it exploded.)

> Seriously. I'm not exagerating.

False. It is not my intention to embarrass you. But you've been mis-informed, and you are publicly repeating the mis-information -- which I feel obligated to correct for this forum's readers.

> Time underground doesn't inert the explosive capabilities of dug shells, even after centuries.

True. However, a century or more out in the weather in the soil does cancel the "shock-sensitivity" of civil war and earlier blackpowder. Unlike 20th-Century artillery shells, an EXCAVATED civil war or earlier shell will not explode due to being dropped, or even hammered-on. The proof: We relic-diggers have excavated over 100,000 pre-20th-Century shells. Nearly all of those got struck (hard) by the shovel during the digging process -- and there has not been a report of even one of them exploding due to the shovel's impact. Furthermore, relic-diggers are notorious for cleaning the rust/dirt-encrustation off of civil war shells by bashing on them with a hammer. Again, not a single explosion due to that hammering has been reported. The problem is that most people cannot tell the difference between a civil war shell and a 20th-Century shell -- and the latter is indeed "shock-sensitive."

All cannonballs are pre-20th-Century. Bullet-shaped shells can be either civil war era or a 20th-Century type.

> Civil War shells can and do still explode.

True. But as noted above, excavated civil war (and earlier) ones are not dangerous to drop. Extreme heat (570+ degrees Fahrenheit) was involved in every one of the VERY few explosions of civil war shells since the end of the 1800s.

> In fact, the breakdown of some of the powder creates a pressurized, explosive
> gas mixtures that is MORE dangerous than the powder itself.

The first part is true (Hydrogen Sulfide gas). The second part ("more dangerous") is false. The Hydrogen Sulfide gas forms when WATER gets inside the shell and interacts with the blackpowder. Wet powder of course will not burn or explode.

> Any tiny amount of heat inside the shell created by the drill can easily set it off.

False. The temperature Ignition Point for blackpowder is 572 degrees Fahrenheit. That is far more than a "tiny amount." The problem is that a spinning drillbit can go above 572 degrees in less than one minute.

> Disarming a shell is something that should ONLY EVER be attempted by a PROFESSIONAL
> with the PROPER SAFETY EQUIPMENT. A remote drill press, a water cooling system, etc.
> If you don't know what you need to do it safely, you shouldn't be doing it.

All true!

In summary... it's not worth your life (or even your fingers) to try to save some money by doing Inerting of an artillery projectile yourself. Please contact a Professional Inerter/Deactivator. (Note, the police will automatically destroy any shell you call them about.) My main point in posting all the above information is to clear up myths and exaggerations about EXCAVATED CIVIL WAR AND EARLIER artillery projectiles. Those kinds are not dangerous to merely handle, or dig up, or carry in your car. If you are not sure about the time-period of an artillery projectile, post it here in the What-Is-It forum for definite identification.
 

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What is TN gonna do if CBG ever leaves?
 

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Yep CBG, all valid points. I'm certainly not embarrassed, since it's stuff I already knew. But my post wasn't intended to get that technical. It was just meant to be a PSA for any joe-schmo who finds a shell in the garden and things they can just go out in the back shed and put the black and decker to it. :D
 

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The first part is true (Hydrogen Sulfide gas). The second part ("more dangerous") is false. The Hydrogen Sulfide gas forms when WATER gets inside the shell and interacts with the blackpowder. Wet powder of course will not burn or explode.

This was simply in reference to the fact that HS has a lower flash point, taking less heat to ignite. Should the poweder be allowed to dry out before drilling, the HS lowers the heat needed to detonate.

EDIT: I didn't want to bring it up until I'd found the source. I read this great article a while back and it took me a few minutes to find it. It describes chemists descriptions of the gasses produced inside the shell. Just as explosive as the original black powder and lower flash point. Anyways, it's definately worth a read:
http://www.civilwarnews.com/archive/articles/07/projectiles_exp.htm
 

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I've been aware of that Civil War News article ever since it was published. In my professional opinion, some of its statements are factually incorrect in regard to EXCAVATED civil war (and earlier) shells. For example, it the powder inside an excavated civil war shell is able to dry out, the Hydrogen Sulfide -- or any other gas -- is able to escape. (If the gas cannot escape, neither can the water which created the gas.) If blackpowder is kept completely dry, no gas gets created... which any battle re-enactor who owns a can of blackpowder can tell you. When I am drilling a shell and I hear a hiss as I "breach" the powder-chamber, I am GLAD to hear the hiss of escaping gas, because it means the blackpowder is wet.

I also profoundly disagree that blackpowder is a less powerful explosive BY VOLUME (let's say, one cubic inch) than Hydrogen Sulfide gas or Carbon Monoxide gas. For example, fill a pingpong ball with either of those gases (or Natural Gas, which is Methane gas), and put a lit cigarette against it. You'll get a pop. Do the same thing with a blackpowder-filled pingpong ball, and you'll get quite a bang.

The very first shell I ever Inerted (back in 1975) was a civil war 3-inch Hotchkiss Model-1864 shell I'd dug out of a creek. When I broke through the seal blocking the powder-cavity, it hissed loudly -- and spit wet blackpowder into my face. Scary as heck... but it was my first clue that the presence of the gas means the powder is wet or at least damp.

However, as I indicated in my previous post, none of what I've said in this discussion should be perceived by readers as encouragement to try to get the powder out of any artillery projectile yourself. That is STRICTLY a job for highly-qualified Professionals.

Also, please note that I've been very careful to always specify that I am talking about "civil war or earlier" shells, and "excavated" specimens of those. I do not work on any 1880s-or-later shells.
 

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OH GOOD LORD NO!!!!

If a cannonball has powder in it, drilling it will KILL YOU.

Seriously. I'm not exagerating. Time underground doesn't inert the explosive capabilities of dug shells, even after centuries. Civil War shells can and do still explode. In fact, the brakdown of some of the powder creates a pressurized, explosive gas mixtures that is MORE dangerous than the powder itself. Any timy amount of heat inside the shell created by the drill can easily set it off.

Disarming a shell is something that should ONLY EVER beattempted by a PROFESSIONAL with the PROPER SAFETY EQUIPMENT. A remote drill press, a water cooling system, etc. If you don't know what you need to do it safely, you shouldn't be doing it.

Yeesh.


good to know for the future!!
 

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Question for CBG. I have a container of fff black powder I have been storing for years. Is it safe to store in a hot warehouse?
 

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Yes, it is safe to store it in a hot warehouse, as long as the container is kept tightly sealed.

For anybody who doesn't already know:
Blackpowder consists of three simple ingredients: Sulfur, Carbon (in the form of finely-ground charcoal, and Potassium Nitrate (commonly known as saltpeter). Storage inside a tightly-sealed container at 120-140 degrees has no effect on any of those very basic chemicals. But if the container is not tightly sealed, humidity (water vapor) can get into the container and affect the powder. In that situation, the higher the temperature, the more effect on the powder. That is why it is recommended that blackpowder be stored in a tightly-sealed container, in a climate-controlled environment.
 

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Jonsas, back to your original question.... there is no reason to drill these. While these have holes and appear to have been fused cannon balls at one time, the fuses are long since gone and there would be nothing left inside the shells (if they WERE explosive) other than sand.
 

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I told Johnsas in my first reply in this discussion (post #2 in this thread) that there have never been any explosive lead balls. He says the balls he found are made of lead. Thus there's no point in drilling into them. (I asked about doing a magnet-test to make sure they are lead, not iron, but he never responded about that.)
 

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