Interesting march

[0121stockpicker]

Galvanized by gun violence, the Episcopal Church responds The Episcopal Church is making news for its efforts to reduce gun violence. Last night more than 1,000 people in the Diocese of Chicago braved the cold to participate in CROSSwalk, a prayerful four-mile procession through the streets of the city from St. James Episcopal Cathedral to Stroger Hospital where so many of the victims of gun violence go to be saved or to die. CROSSwalk is both a lamentation and a call to action. Bishop Jeff Lee urged participants to become "agents of Easter," and told the crowd that when it came to gun violence, perhaps they were "the answer to God's prayer." Fox News filed this report and CBS News filed this one. There was a lively Twitter stream at #crosswalk2 Twenty-three Episcopal bishops will lead hundreds of Episcopalians in the Stations of the Cross as they walk along Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House to Capitol Hill on Monday. The service begins at 10:30 a. m. at St. John's Church at 16th and H Streets, NW. The service, organized by the bishops of Connecticut and the bishop of Washington in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, is billed as a "challenge to a culture of violence, especially gun violence."

 

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[BosnMate]

Prayer never hurts. I truthfully believe prayers are answered, but only on God's time table which many times we don't understand.

 

[Dave44]

A sincere prayer would be helpful. A prayer used as a political tool seems deceitful.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Should religious folks take a stand on gun violence?

 

[Crispin]

The Lord works in mysterious ways. None of us can see all ends. Ours is not to question why, ours is to put faith in Him. For better or worse, there is a purpose.

 

[Chadeaux]

Should religious folks take a stand on gun violence?

Let's see. First, to moderators, this is not a religious post but an answer to the question posed.

What was the sidearm of Jesus' day?

It was the sword . . . a blade.

Was it common for people to carry a sword in Israel during Jesus' time?

John 18:10, 11: "Then Simon Peter, as he had a sword, drew it and struck the slave of the high priest and cut his right ear off. The name of the slave was Malchus. Jesus, however, said to Peter: “Put the sword into [its] sheath. The cup that the Father has given me, should I not by all means drink it?”

Interesting night to ask that question, isn't it?

Simon Peter was one of the 12 Apostles. He carried a sword.

 

[Dave44]

Hey Chad,, watch out now, we cannot post facts or "anecdotal evidence" . I heard they hold no weight.

 

[arnofarrell]

Prayers are good and may help but what are they trying to accomplish? I could see if they were asking people to turn in guns but I am not sure how this will stop violence. Are they trying to appeal to the religious folks who "hold on to there religion and there guns". I am sorry and I do not intend to affend or make people mad. I just think the church could be helping in another way thats all.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Hey Chad,, watch out now, we cannot post facts or "anecdotal evidence" . I heard they hold no weight.

Dave if you disagree please tell us all how anecdotal evidence proves a fact?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Dave if you disagree please tell us all how anecdotal evidence proves a fact?

Just to try and educate a bit... (From wiki)

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases. Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim. Etc

This is pretty basic / common knowledge stuff.

 

[BosnMate]

Should religious folks take a stand on gun violence?

This is America, I reckon religious people can take a stand on what ever floats their boat, including the violence of ripping unborn babies out of the womb, among a number of other things. How does that relate to a 2nd amendment forum? Everybody is horrified about the use of a gun killing of 27 children in school, and the liberals want to ban guns on account of that, but the violent death of over 350,000 unborn babies last year is just peachy to the progressive a******s. You know how they kill babies in the last trimester? They stick a needle in their skull and suck their brains out. Perhaps we should ban sharp pointy things with suction.

 

[Dave44]

Just to try and educate a bit... (From wiki)

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases. Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim. Etc

This is pretty basic / common knowledge stuff.

It is because you do not know the difference between an avalanche and a cherry. Not really surprised though. It takes a bit of common sense and it is "pretty basic/ common knowledge stuff".

You should not ignore the avalanche, you get buried that way.

 

[0121stockpicker]

This is America, I reckon religious people can take a stand on what ever floats their boat, including the violence of ripping unborn babies out of the womb, among a number of other things. How does that relate to a 2nd amendment forum? Everybody is horrified about the use of a gun killing of 27 children in school, and the liberals want to ban guns on account of that, but the violent death of over 350,000 unborn babies last year is just peachy to the progressive a******s. You know how they kill babies in the last trimester? They stick a needle in their skull and suck their brains out. Perhaps we should ban sharp pointy things with suction.

Didnt know the espicopal church was pro choice? You sure about that??

 

[Bum Luck]

Well, here's some thoughts:

The number of police officers who have died in the line of duty in 2011 has increased 14 percent nationwide from last year, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. "We're hearing about more brazen, violent activity today, more cold-blooded murders," said Craig Floyd, chairman and CEO of the fund.

"Police departments nationwide are being asked to do more with less," said Steve Groeninger, senior communications director of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.


A Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics report indicated there were an average 250 officers per 100,000 people nationwide in 2008. In 2011, the DOJ Community Oriented Policing Services division reports a drop in the police to population ratio, to an average of 181 to 100,000.


Groeninger said the increased death toll can be attributed to budget cuts and what he referred to as a criminal's affinity for violence by gun. There is a tendency of previously incarcerated individuals to go desperately rogue when approached by the officials of law, and "shoot their way out of a situation," he said.
"We're seeing more of that in recent years," he said.


In January 2011, CNN reported four law enforcement shooting deaths in Florida stemming from two instances when officers tried to take in wanted criminals.
Floyd said he believes the numbers are a testament to the times.


"I think that we have a strong anti-government sentiment in our country, similar to the 1970s, the deadliest decade in law enforcement."

Respect.

 

[Chadeaux]

Galvanized by gun violence, the Episcopal Church responds The Episcopal Church is making news for its efforts to reduce gun violence. Last night more than 1,000 people in the Diocese of Chicago braved the cold to participate in CROSSwalk, a prayerful four-mile procession through the streets of the city from St. James Episcopal Cathedral to Stroger Hospital where so many of the victims of gun violence go to be saved or to die. CROSSwalk is both a lamentation and a call to action. Bishop Jeff Lee urged participants to become "agents of Easter," and told the crowd that when it came to gun violence, perhaps they were "the answer to God's prayer." Fox News filed this report and CBS News filed this one. There was a lively Twitter stream at #crosswalk2 Twenty-three Episcopal bishops will lead hundreds of Episcopalians in the Stations of the Cross as they walk along Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House to Capitol Hill on Monday. The service begins at 10:30 a. m. at St. John's Church at 16th and H Streets, NW. The service, organized by the bishops of Connecticut and the bishop of Washington in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, is billed as a "challenge to a culture of violence, especially gun violence."

trying to get back on the ORIGINAL topic . . . after the OP hijacked his own thread:

1. Religion needs to keep its nose out of politics. It is not the realm of religion to tell politicians how to behave, what laws to pass or reject, or to foster opposition or favor for any political party.
2. Politics needs to keep its nose out of religion. It is not the realm of politics to tell religious persons what to believe, what to celebrate, who to worship, or how to conduct that worship.
3. PERSONAL FREEDOM IS GUARANTEED IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS. Until (unless) the Constitution is changed (and I hope it isn't changed or abandoned), it is not the business of either to deny to any individual the rights granted under that document and the accompanying Bill or Rights. It is up to the individual to determine if they want to avail themselves of those rights or deny themselves any of those rights.

Just my 2 cents worth.

EDIT: I just don't think it right that a post be worded in such a way as to bring religion into this discussion. Religion does not write or enforce secular law.

 

[BosnMate]

Didnt know the espicopal church was pro choice? You sure about that??

Didn't say that, go back and read what I said. You didn't ask about Episcopal Church, you asked about religious people, and just for your edification, there is a difference, it's called denominations, and religious people covers all denominations the last I heard. Anyhow, what do I know, I'm just a red neck conservative that people now it all people like to talk down to. Did you go back and read what I said, in case you didn't, it was "WHAT EVER FLOATS THEIR BOAT." That means I don't care what the Episcopal Church believes, it's their business, this is America, they can believe what ever they want.

 

[Crispin]

This is America, I reckon religious people can take a stand on what ever floats their boat, including the violence of ripping unborn babies out of the womb, among a number of other things. How does that relate to a 2nd amendment forum? Everybody is horrified about the use of a gun killing of 27 children in school, and the liberals want to ban guns on account of that, but the violent death of over 350,000 unborn babies last year is just peachy to the progressive a******s. You know how they kill babies in the last trimester? They stick a needle in their skull and suck their brains out. Perhaps we should ban sharp pointy things with suction.

BosnMate: relax a little. You are on unfamiliar ground. Third trimester abortions are only legal if there is imminent risk to the mother or if there is fetal demise or severe chromsomal abnormality (which would lead to fetal demise after birth.) You want to talk about first and second trimester abortions go ahead and have at it...but leave third trimester alone. You may offend somebody that has already suffered enough from being forced to undergo one. With new technology babies can survive being born as early as 20-24 weeks.

Crispin

 

[Chadeaux]

BosnMate: relax a little. You are on unfamiliar ground. Third trimester abortions are only legal if there is imminent risk to the mother or if there is fetal demise or severe chromsomal abnormality (which would lead to fetal demise after birth.) You want to talk about first and second trimester abortions go ahead and have at it...but leave third trimester alone. You may offend somebody that has already suffered enough from being forced to undergo one. With new technology babies can survive being born as early as 20-24 weeks.

Crispin

That is true Crispin, however, unfortunately some doctors are only after the bucks. A reason can be defined by the doctor, and it is never reviewed by peers, allowing the late term abortion. It happens quite regularly.

Many doctors are like lawyers. They like to think of themselves as gods, and believe they should be above the law of man or GOD.

 

[packerbacker]

I think everyone should take a stand on "gun violence". That doesn't mean we should take guns away from anyone besides the criminals. I think a good stand against gun violence is blowing away some gangbanger that is about to shoot me. March all you want but the bottom line is to get rid of the criminals, not the guns. They will always have guns and everyone else will be a victim without one. If you look at the "victims" in the Chicago shootings I would guess most of them are gangbangers themselves. I could care less about them; I only feel bad about the innocent.
How would you "take a stand against shoplifting"? Close the stores?

 

[Crispin]

That is true Crispin, however, unfortunately some doctors are only after the bucks. A reason can be defined by the doctor, and it is never reviewed by peers, allowing the late term abortion. It happens quite regularly.

Many doctors are like lawyers. They like to think of themselves as gods, and believe they should be above the law of man or GOD.

Reminds me of a joke: What is the difference between God and a doctor?
Answer: God does not think he is a doctor.