Identify maker?

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I've had this for a number of years and have never been able to identify the maker or his profession for sure . I had assumed he was a saddler and this was his maker's badge for a saddle? The object is very thick brass. Last name is Carpennter (maker Philadelphia), but the first two letters are unlear...may J C or J G ?.. Almost of the objects in the field dated from Rev. war period. Thanks!
 

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trikikiwi, thanks for giving this one a shot. it is going to be a very lonely "what is it" think. I did the geneological search myself, but not the thorough one you posted. Thanks for it and I'll read it today and look for a clue.

It very well could be a "T. C." rather than a "J. C."

I'm only guessing at a saddler because of the way it seems to have been mounted and because of the contact wear. (the fact it was brass caused very little corrosion and a clean brown patina, but did not cause wear. Obviously I've cleaned it though).

Regarding the date, this is purely a guess also based on the other objects I found near it (including the "long Live the President" button in my monicker, various King Georges, etc.). It's possible that it is a little newer, but the type of font used in the dies seems to suggest to me anyway, very early.

P.s. triki, as I've been writing I've been googling with your 'T' instead of the J. There seems to have been a Thomas C. Carpenter, but there's no "cached entry so I've have to read the entire article to find him. He owned a livery and carpenter shop, but not sure if it was in Phila or Chester. Again, thanks for the tip .
 

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Sorry the scan isn't clearer. It actually says "maker" (and Philadelphia)
 

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The close up looks like:

J S S Carpenter

MAKER

philadelphia
 

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sverge, again I apologise for the quality of the scan. the middle see is in fact identical to the C in carpenter in "real life".
 

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Dano, I hope this is a little better for you. I'm afraid that all I can do is promise ytou that the second letter is exactly the same as the C in Carpenter.
 

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Interesting piece. What does the piece measure 1 1/2 x 1 1/2? Is the fastening method a screw or pin?
 

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Ironspike, it measures 1 3/4" by 1 3/4". The two pieces of brass on the back measure 3/4" high, and would measure 1/2" out if they were not bent. They've both been purposely bent at their halfway point, and there is the small remains of one brass pin or rivet in one hole. It looks like this must have been mounted on leather.
 

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Just don't saddle feel :-\ Could it have been a tag attached to leather straps from an old field drum?
 

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IronSpike said:
Just don't saddle feel :-\ Could it have been a tag attached to leather straps from an old field drum?
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I have no idea Spike. :dontknow: I am pretty sure now that it is "T" C. Carpenter rather than J. C. Carpenter (still guessing on that letter though :dontknow:) . This little bit came up from the 1889 Phiadelphia numismatic society metting (see March 2nd 1889) but it doesn't seem to make sense regarding this brass piece's use and I guess it is probably unrelated? :icon_scratch: http://books.google.com/books?id=e2...esult&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
 

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Bump...Again, Thanks John for comming on over here To "what is it" And sharing your knoweledge which we use to help teach the kids. There is talk that the "old farts are" complaining that The "new guys" Are pushing them out...Give me a break! I think it's refreshing..Kudos....Mike,kids and staff
 

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"Maybe buckle or furniture?" Don't know Spike. It does look like a buckle at first, but I can't envision how it would be mounted as a buckle with those two tabs, or why anyone would wear or use a buckle this big with the maker's name so visible. There's no evidence on the back of ther ever being any other hooks or tabs. I guess it could be furniture, but I imagine the tabs would have had to go through two narrow slits of very thin wood and then bent back for it to mount flush, and I can't see brass this thick being bent easily on a fragile surface?
 

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Not getting anything on the name. The design is kind of unique. If it was for leather attachment maybe it was for a leather strap to either a trunk or a leather box for musical instruments, weapons etc.... Name search with guesses on various functions may be key.

Mentioned the furniture idea based on Philadelphia, but did find a buckle part that may could have had same function. I'll see if I can relocate and post the pic. It's a great relic and a challenging what is it :thumbsup:
 

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