I NEED HELP IN A CAVE

[skiiimann]

THERE IS A CAVE THAT I HAVE BEEN TO THAT HAS A HISTORY TO IT IF YOU ASK SOME OF THE OLD LOCALS.
In this cave some parts appear natural and some look cut out of the rock.

The ends, walls and ceiling of the cave are all solid rock, but the floor is all loose rocks and dirt. It looks like it was much deeper and has been filled back in.

The questions that I have are what can I use to tell me if something is really down there before I spend days or weeks digging to get it out, and does anyone have any tricks for moving tons of dirt and rocks quickly or know of any machines that I should invest in to help with the digging?

I really need to know if there is any machine that can tell me if there is any gold or silver buried there and if possible how deep it is?

Thanks for your help in advance

 

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[MiddenMonster]

I really need to know if there is any machine that can tell me if there is any gold or silver buried there and if possible how deep it is?

A good, large coil metal detector would do the trick on what it is and how deep. I'd be real careful about digging in a cave, especially when using machinery or digging near the walls. Vibrations and dislodging rocks in the floor can cause cave-ins and rock slides. It's better to dig by hand when you're surrounded by tons of rock. Since the people who burried anything in the cave didn't use machinery, anything buried is probably not too deep to dig by hand. You also have to watch out for cave monsters and evil spirits. Cave monsters tend to blend in with the rocks in the cave, and evil spirits can take possession of your body very quickly, before you have time to escape. And as you know, once they have control of you it's almost impossible to get rid of them.

 

[SomeGuy]

I You also have to watch out for cave monsters and evil spirits. Cave monsters tend to blend in with the rocks in the cave, and evil spirits can take possession of your body very quickly, before you have time to escape. And as you know, once they have control of you it's almost impossible to get rid of them.

Oh crap, Jeff's gonna move this thread into Religion!

 

[ThTx]

I really need to know if there is any machine that can tell me if there is any gold or silver buried there and if possible how deep it is?

Thanks for your help in advance

Check out the TM-808 from Whites or the Master Hunter CX Plus with the Treasure Hound Depth Multiplier from Garretts. I'm am leaning toward the Garretts for cache hunting even though the Whites has a cave mode that will actually tell you if there has been a tunnel or cave that has been filled in (the mineralization of the fill has changed).

 

[skiiimann]

I have thought about getting the discovery tf900 because I have read on other posts that it is the best 2 box made by the same maker as the old whites tm 800 which was also very good.

What do you think about that?

Take in mind that this cache is said to be large and what I have heard is that there were many men working at the cave for a long time so they might have put the treasure very deep.

I want to be sure that the cache is there before I spend a month digging up Indian bones

thank you all

 

[Amona]

skiiimann

I really need to know if there is any machine that can tell me if there is any gold or silver buried there and if possible how deep it is?

Before dig, find out the local law regulation about excavation inside caves in order to avoid possible legal trouble, if you're set in that point, then try the GTI-2500 with the eagle eye , I used it before and I recommend it.

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Two-box detectors are notorious for giving false signals in places like trenches so you might consider this. Also if the area you are in is mineralized (many caves are mineral veins) don't expect a two-box to take you very deep even if it has a ground balance. If the detector is not performing well, you will probably assume there is nothing there and this can be worse than not using one at all. Even the pulse induction detectors can have problems in mineralized ground but you will be far ahead. You can always get out your shovel and dig down a ways and see what you find out. You may hit hard ground, if not then consider a good detector or even take some photos and find a good map dowser. The PI detectors aren't cheap, at least $1500.

 

[JOE(USA)]

Caver,

Remember the electromagnetic field comes out of the top of the coil(s) also, so the two box or any detector will be sensing the roof of the cave also. The two box in my opinion would have to be in a ground balance mode not in a transmit receive only mode. I would need to see the actual cave but consider excavating using a "drag line" bucket powered by an electric winch outside the cave. do a google search if you don't know what a drag line excavator is. Joe

 

[cptbil]

It's going to boil down to:
How much capital do you have for equipment ?
Or!
Doing it the hard way! :P
Or!
Finding someone with equipment/experience to take in as a partner!

 

[cptbil]

JUST! REMEMBER!
AS some one mentioned...
The detectors emit signals in ALL! directions!
That means, top & sides, as well as down !
I have had experiences where a detector went crazy !
No way! Could it work!
It was picking up signals from all directions!
As far as The White 808 ....
It WILL indicate a tunnel/cave, or what not!
"Whites" told me, over the phone, I researched this...
That, although, the detector was not designed as a "Tunnel" locator, IT DOES!
WORK as ONE!
When you 'tune' the detector, it is "tuned" over solid ground..
It is then "balanced" for reading signals over solid ground!
When you pass over a "void" a tunnel,cave, etc. the signal either changes or quits!
I don't remember which!
But!
You do get a good indication of a "void" below the detector, which will then start signaling again, as you pass over to the other side (solid ground) of the tunnel, etc!

 

[skiiimann]

Thanks for all the help guys

I think that I am going to have to dig no matter what detector I get because I can't trust the signal

the treasure is supposed to be big and more than 9 feet down

I am going to get the discovery tf900 and see how it goes

the area is very rich in minerals, and I think that the soil is high in salt also

so I am just going to bite the bullet and dig

 

[Dale]

exp4000 maybe more than you are willing to spend...best of luck though

 

[Old Dog]

Inside of a tunnel a White's TM 808 is probably the best machine I have ever used, Very reliable.

As far as the removal of material from your tunnel.... mucking is mucking.
It all boils down to a lot of hard work. I find that at ground level a wheelbarrow is a very valuabl tool.

The rest is desire.

Old Dog

 

[Southernhunter]

Interesting.....
I'm not sure where you are located, but in the southwest the Spanish enslaved the Native Americans to work mines until which time the Indians revolted and killed or drove the Spanish out filling the mines in so they wouldn't be reopened. It's possible that may account for a very historical cave.

 

[Gold_Needle]

Hi,

What is the status of your cave investigation??

 

[alec]

"Take in mind that this cache is said to be large and what I have heard is that there were many men working at the cave for a long time so they might have put the treasure very deep."

You might also keep in mind that even though they were at the site of a cave what they were doing wasn't inside the cave. Maybe they dug the cave itself looking for something and left after they did or didn't find it. Instead of looking inside the cave I would be looking around the outside for anything that might indicate a cache, like carvings, markers, etc.

How long ago was it that the men were working around the cave? Is this something related to outlaws, the civil war, etc?

 

[Old Dog]

Just for the record,
I think Skiiman left

OD

 

[Connecticut Sam]

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