I have seen something like this before but cant remember what it went to?

[Helix]

I have seen something like this before but can't remember what it went to?

Going over some finds from early spring and came across this. Looks familiar some how to me but can't put my finger on it. It is copper and looks like it was silver plated. It is two pieces with a small hinge on one side and some type of latch on the other. It is too rusted to unlatch and fold open. All three items were found at same 1800's site.

 

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[NOLA_Ken]

it looks familiar to me as well but I can't place it either.... The piece in the center of the last pic looks like it may be part of an ornate trigger guard though.

 

[Helix]

Some how I was thinking part of a spout from a powder flask? Don't think that is right though. Possibly some part of a strainer for making coffee or tea? Better pics from trigger guard looking item. I can see it being part of a trigger guard. The far left end of this item in this picture it is broken. If it is part of a trigger guard anyone have any rough idea on type of firearm?

 

[NOLA_Ken]

I can't tell exactly what it came from, but it probably looked similar to this one....


It would have been a pretty fancy rifle I'd imagine.

 

[Helix]

Agree after looking at other long rifle trigger guards. Thanks. Also for what its worth I managed to open up my original posted item. Its is about the same size a half dollar.

 

[Red James Cash]

I dont think its a trigger guard.I have no idea about the little tab with the hole in it,that would be a strange way to attach it to a firearm when a much simpler way is just a screw going into the stock on each end .Every muzzle loader i have ever seen and owned never had a trigger guard held to the stock that way.I'm not saying it isnt,I just highly doubt it.

 

[Helix]

I dont think its a trigger guard.I have no idea about the little tab with the hole in it,that would be a strange way to attach it to a firearm when a much simpler way is just a screw going into the stock on each end .Every muzzle loader i have ever seen and owned never had a trigger guard held to the stock that way.I'm not saying it isnt,I just highly doubt it.

Hmm I see your point. I am unable to post a link but then I goggled "antique trigger guard" with goggle image I did see a few that seemed to have a square tabs on either end similar to what I have. ?

 

[BosnMate]

I dont think its a trigger guard.I have no idea about the little tab with the hole in it,that would be a strange way to attach it to a firearm when a much simpler way is just a screw going into the stock on each end .Every muzzle loader i have ever seen and owned never had a trigger guard held to the stock that way.I'm not saying it isnt,I just highly doubt it.

It's a trigger guard, the tab is how the guard is pinned to the stock. The rifle barrels, and ram rod pipes were pinned on the same way. It's really tricky to get everything lined up and drilled, but I've done it.

 

[BosnMate]

Here's a picture of a long rifle kit. Note the tabs on the trigger guard, and also on the ramrod entry thimble and the ramrod pipes. You can't see the tabs that pin the barrel to the stock very well, but there three of them above the ramrod pipes, and you file a dove tail into the barrel to install them, then the stock is drilled with the hole going through the tab, and an iron or steel pin goes through the wood and the lug to attach the barrel. Keep in mind that there is a groove for the ramrod, so there is a very narrow bit of wood that has to be lined up and drilled through. If you aren't careful the ramrod channel could be blocked. Keep in mind that the ramrod enters the stock and the hole goes clear to the breech plug, and it has to go between the bottom of the lock and the top of the lug on the trigger guard. Kind of tricky, but ends up a beautiful rifle.

 

[Red James Cash]

It's a trigger guard, the tab is how the guard is pinned to the stock. The rifle barrels, and ram rod pipes were pinned on the same way. It's really tricky to get everything lined up and drilled, but I've done it.

Looks like a pain in the azz method to meI think i would of filed the tab off and drilled a hole instead.

 

[Helix]

OK after a little bit more digging I found a trigger guard that almost looks like a match even with the square tab. Again I am unable to post a picture or link for some reason. If someone could post a pic from the link that would be great! Just goggle McNabb's Station Castings it is the second photo down on the web site. Only problem is this guy said he carved the mold for this particular guard himself. Unless I read it wrong.


Never Mind BosnMate beat me to it!

 

[Helix]

Here's a picture of a long rifle kit. Not the tabs on the trigger guard, and also on the ram rod entry thimble and the ram rod pipes. You can't see the taps that pin the barrel to the stock.
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Wow beat me to it! Thanks..

 

[BosnMate]

Wow beat me to it! Thanks..

I edited my post and added more information. Not a pain in the butt Red, there is no place to use a screw on some of those old guns guns, tolerances are so close it would interfere with at least the ramrod. Never used a brass pin, even on a silver inlay, it was pinned with an iron pin, and they pinned a lot of decorations and other stuff. They also used pins because every screw was filed by hand, one at a time, and never from brass. If you see a muzzle loader with brass screws, it's a repo, no original had them.

 

[Red James Cash]

Ive always dealt with percussion,never flintlock guns.I was into the Hawken style rifles.They were alot more basic than the Kentucky,Pennsylvania,long rifles.The ramrod holders were dovetailed into the barrel or a small hole was drilled through the holder and screwed to the barrel.The trigger guard was simply a screw on each end,the front screw usually going to the breech plug where it attached to the stock.