Huge Cartridge! Any ideas?

[Breezie]

Hey, Does anyone have a clue about this large cartridge I found? It was in the same area with some CW bullets and tent grommets. Thanks in advance, Breezie

 

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[kuger]

I am betting thats a brass shotgun shell maybe a ten guage?I will post a pic of one later.I find them quite often.....even found two stuck together,with gold nuggets inside!!!

 

[kuger]

Looking at it again....I dont see a primer so maybe not?

 

[cedarratt]

It looks like maybe a .58 Allin or Miller cartridge, Tho it looks closer to 70-75 Caliber but the largest reference I Could find was .58. Its a neat find tho.

 

[vayank54]

I didn't notice at first but there is a hole at the rim. It's possible it is a pin fire shotgun shell. I know they had some that were all brass but am not sure how long they were. I wasn't really thinking shotgun until I saw Kuger's post but was thinking like cedarat that it had to be a 70 or 75 caliber. Hopefully someone will know.

 

[Breezie]

I think the largest Pinfire shot shell is 13 mm.

 

[Breezie]

I don't think that this is a cartridge or shell casing.Mmm, that's interesting. So what do you think it is? Would it help to make another pic of it at a different angle?

The lip at the base is not pronounced enough.
It tapers too gradually..
Centerfires, rimfires and pinfires ALL have a pronounced lip at the base to stop forward movement into the breech when loading, and for extraction.

 

[vayank54]

They did have pin fire shotgun shells but I don't think they used them long. I've dug some myself. a friend of mine dug some years ago that were all brass and fairly tall but I don't remember how tall and he isn't around here anymore. He did tell me he thought they were used by guards watching the road gangs. It is possible that it isn't a shell.

 

[Breezie]

Here's a pic of the inside; it's not that great because the flash was bouncing around.

 

[vayank54]

here's a couple links I found about pin fire shotguns


www.ruble-enterprises.com/Bronze_pinfire_guns.htm
dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/.../continentaldouble-barrel-pinfire-14.html

 

[vayank54]

I wish I could tell you for sure. I'm going to get off here I just realized how late it is. I have to get up at 4:30 and then drive 2 hours to the job. I'll check this again tomorrow. Night guys

 

[extractor]

70-75 Caliber

 

[ivan salis]

12 or 10 guage pin fire shotgun shell casing -wag

 

[DCMatt]

Signal flare?

DCMatt

 

[Monty]

I think Matt got it, a flare. Monty

 

[kuger]

I think Matt got it, a flare. Monty

FOR WHAT ITS WORTH I AGREE!

 

[johnnyi]

To me the base looks too gradually flared for any kind of cartridge. Could it be some kind of container? A match container maybe?

 

[Breezie]

I certainly appreciate all the ideas. Even though I take detailed photographs, it's still not like actually looking at the item. There is a lip line located right below the ragged edge; I dont' know if this would help or not, but I thought I'd add the comment. Do all of the flare shells look alike, or were there any made of brass? Even though the ones Rando described were for this area, it's possible it was an import from another area. I'm leaning toward DC Matt's idea of flare. Thanks, Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I agree with Rando even though Monty is on a roll.

 

[Breezie]

I agree with Rando even though Monty is on a roll.

I went through my CW books, plus looked on the Internet and couldn't find an CW tent pole holders. Rando, do you have any pics?