How lucky to find one artifact. But two is still hard to believe.

[Rocsteddie]

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The blade is a Copper Culture Socketed knife blade that was hand made by hammering and folding copper to create the socket and the edge for cutting and used as a weapon about 3 to 6000 years old.
The stone is soapstone and was carved to make an ornament mold for beads and brooches. The human figure carved into the stone is something not seen on other ornament molds. The age of the stone it self is quite old but the carvings are about 250 to 300 years old. The magnification of the facial features of the stone was made with a 200x usb magnifier. The 3-D image is really amazing.
Thanks for your interest.

 

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[sideshowbob]

Reminds me of a mold to make old usefull household things from back in the day. Lead figurine for the person. On the opposite side looks like molds for buttons and hem weights

 

[OWK]

Reminds me of a mold to make old usefull household things from back in the day. Lead figurine for the person. On the opposite side looks like molds for buttons and hem weights

That is precisely what it is

 

[Rocsteddie]

I to believe the stone to be a mold for beads and ornaments. But if anyone any where has info on a carved soapstone ornament mold with a human figure on it would be fascinating to see and compare to this one. Thanks.

 

[OWK]

It is a mold.

A flat stone (or clay) was placed against the side the caster wished to make, and bound there.

Molten copper was poured into the ports.

The mold was then opened, and the flash removed.

This just happens to be two molds on one stone.

No idea how old it is.

 

[John Winter]

Fascinating old artefact!
Thanks for showing.

 

[sideshowbob]

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1046279"/><img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1046280"/>Hey sideshowbob exactly how old are you? This mode is between 300 and 400 years old according to Things Left Behind by Doug Birk. And I don"t think anyone has seen a mode of this type with carvings on both sides of a single stone. Thanks for your interest.

I am 34 years old and I troll treasurenet

 

[sideshowbob]

The stones for together like pancake and lead was poured into the funnel like impressions

 

[Rocsteddie]

Just not sure if there is another part to this mold.
Both sides of this stone are not flat and the spurs or funnels are the same depth as the carvings them selves. Just an observation that I noticed.

 

[Rocsteddie]

View attachment 1059009View attachment 1059010One stone with carvings on both sides. Copper Culture blade All copy rights reserved. Mr. Edd

 

[sideshowbob]

Nice blade! Wouldn't it be nice to have the other two sides to that mold?!? I am no expert on dating such items simply from a pic and I'm sure many other tnetters are not either. We just give you our 2 cents. Your responses..."bye"... Are just rude, if not insulting. I hope you can derive the items correct history and I'm sure I, as well as many others, will enjoy hearing of it. Good day sir.

 

[pkb]

Might just be a translation thing on the "bye" comment. But don't know where he is from. Maybe in his eyes he was / is being polite . JMHO But sweet finds !!

 

[Rocsteddie]

Nice blade! Wouldn't it be nice to have the other two sides to that mold?!? I am no expert on dating such items simply from a pic and I'm sure many other tnetters are not either. We just give you our 2 cents. Your responses..."bye"... Are just rude, if not insulting. I hope you can derive the items correct history and I'm sure I, as well as many others, will enjoy hearing of it. Good day sir.

Sorry I did not mean to cause or intend to insult or be rude. My bye responds was short for , Thanks for your interest and time. Bye.
No one seems to believe that these artifacts are real. I know they are because I personally found them on my property in Northern Minnesota. That being said I will hold off with more information until I have the time and resources to authenticate both pieces. Thanks

 

[slowwevo]

I personally think they are both real,and not just because its the rules,scrolling through this thread I didn't see any negative comments here,but I do remember seeing this posted before,
I will leave you with this- you are new here ,some members don't like to respond to new member posts,even when they are insanely cool

 

[JimK]

I have no idea what these are. Though I have some trouble with the mold theory. In some of the impressions if hot metal was poured in to the two part mold it would simply run out of the bottom\sides. And other than the figure these forms have no useful purpose that I can figure out. This makes me question the mold idea. Also I am intrigued by the humanoid form. It kind of has that “Ancient Alien” thing going for it. I have no real proof but I think that it may be quite old. Just food for thought.

JimK

PS: I am not crazy, I just think in directions that others don't. You might call it eccentric.

 

[I-DIG-IT]

Nice digs.

 

[Rocsteddie]

Look down for pictures.

Thanks so much for members time and interest. I hope to have more info at a later date. But for now all I have to offer for info is that the stone carving (one stone approximately 3"x 3" square and1/2" thick) made of soapstone. The Copper Culture Socketed knife blade is about 81/2 inches long and hand made.

 

[Muddyhandz]

It's funny, I thought I replied to this thread back when you first posted it and remember feeling that you were right with your assessment. Too bad you erased it.
Well, now that winter's here and I have time to go through my library, look what I came across in "Guebert site: an 18th century historic Kaskaskia Indian Village.....
in Randolph County, Illinois" by Mary Elizabeth Good.







What an incredible find you have and like your title says.....But two is hard to believe!
This is right up my alley and now I have another thing to add to the bucket list!
Congrats!
Cheers,
Dave.

 

[Rocsteddie]

Hey Dave thanks for the feed back and very interesting info and pics by Mary Elizabeth Good.
FYI:I have been in contact with museums and Historical Societies from International Falls to the Twin Cities with the same results of being open for suggestions and research.
Unless one is found that closely resembles this one.We may never know the true meaning of this stone and who created it.
The truth is out there. You just need to know where to look. (I don't know how I erased my comment.) Sorry.

 

[Muddyhandz]

Please keep us posted on any new information that comes to light.
The brooch designs (not hem weights) are no mystery to me as they are identical to a type of lead/pewter cast brooch that have found several of at fur trade post sites.
I'll give you a picture of what I mean in the near future.

This one's closer to home for you (and me) and can be found in the famous fur trade book "Where two worlds meet" published by the Minnesota Historical Society.





BTW, the archaic copper artifact is also a killer find! A pretty rare find for us here in Manitoba.