Help with jacket/tunic button found in Niagara area

[darkmage2002]

Greetings everyone!

I wondered if you can help me with this jacket button I found last evening (I cleaned it up a little - it was covered in oxidation). Would you happen to know any history to go with this? I read that the official Sovereign Dominion for Canada started in the 1930s but was hoping that this was from way before that -- hopefully when troops were fighting for the sovereign dominion instead. Am I fortunate enough to have found anything that dates back the war of 1812? Does the No. 12 refer to a specific battalion; if so, would it be possible to find information about that specific number or would that be more or less lost to history?

I look forward to any expertise you can provide!

 

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[jeff of pa]

Well.

It's a 12 GUAGE Shotgun Shell

One of the many found Today





BUT I have seen Buttons made from them

 

[jeff of pa]

here is one that has been made into a button.
i found it several years ago

 

[River Rat]

A neat find!! I agree with Jeff on being a headstamp of shotgun brass. Check this web and stroll down to Canada's Dominion Cartridge Co.

http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm

RR

 

[dg39]

Welcome to the forum darkmage2002!
I agree with the others on it. Shotgun Shell end. Nice find if its been made into a button.
Don't let us discourage you. You will make some good finds in your area!

DG

 

[darkmage2002]

Thanks everyone... I must say, I'm pleasantly embarrassed. The "pleasant" part being the speed of the replies and the knowledge gained for next time. The "embarrassed" part being how obvious it was after reading your responses. Had it been stamped with anything else but "dominion" and "sovereign" -- "remington" for example! -- I would have known exactly what it was the moment I pulled it out of the ground. Living in the Niagara region, with two 1812 forts within 10 minutes drive from here, you can understand how quickly such words generate excitement. No wonder it had a bit of a stalk on it. I thought it was part of the "button"; a snap type of thing. Instead I was looking right at part of the casing. Well... onwards and forward!

 

[jeff of pa]

Don't feel Embarrassed, That is what the Excitement
can do at times.
I know I'v looked at things Wrong in the past also.
And probably will again.

and as RR & dg39 said, Cool Find.
I personally would like to know more about the Crafters
of these.

 

[Montana Jim]

weird firing pin pattern..... Maybe it was a miss fire and had to be hit twice....

I noticed that... strange.

 

[Angelo]

Darkmage!

Don't feel bad or em-barrazed, when my first one was born I went to the nursery and was cooing and bragging till they told me it was someone Else's baby.

It's all about what we perceive at the time. And when we find out the facts. Oh Well....

Tony

 

[darkmage2002]

Superduty and Montana Jim:

Re: weird firing pin pattern

Now that you mention it, that was one of the original reasons it jumped out at me as a button. My subconscious was thinking about side-by-side needle holes.

The location where I found this happens to be a sort of modern-day teenage trouble-spot in the woods. I wonder if we're looking at one of Uncle Bob's shotgun shells that little Billy stole and tried to fire by holding a nail up to the back of it and whacking it with a hammer. The center portions of the other two headstamps posted here are so cleanly and completely punched that it leads me to believe that the one I found was not hit with a shotgun shell ejector.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Darkmage, if I say Fort Mississaugua to you would that ring a bell?

I'm curious to know how many people actually know where that is. Or if they know it's there. I'm hoping very few indeed. I like to pretend it's my little secret.

It's one of my favorite spots for exploration. Never with a MD but there are some interesting things there.

 

[darkmage2002]

I would say VERY few people. It is definitely not wide knowledge in the Niagara region. The only reason I know about it, if you can believe it, is because I was looking through a road atlas of the Niagara region one day and I found it labelled as "Ruins of Fort Mississauga". I thought "What the heck is THIS?"

I'll move this discussion to a new thread in X Marks the Spot and see what others might know about it (including you! I'd like to hear about what you've been able to find/do there.)

 

[Tricia]

Tehehehe, how funky. I'll look for the new thread there.

 

[dasabighole]

It is 12th Georgia button, we find them by the 10s of thousands around here. Also 16th and 20th Georgia buttons are very common, but the 12th is #1