Help with artist signature

[CarolinaFinder2011]

Can anyone help with who the artist is of this painting? It is at least from the early 1900s if not older. Thanks

 

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[trixie charger]

Reminds me of the Constitution

 

[Breezie]

Below is a pic of the clipper ship, The Red Jacket. Does anyone think CarolinaF's painting looks like the Red Jacket? Of course, there is a story to go along with this, and as soon as we get some more comments, I'll be back. . . as Paul Harvey said, 'with the rest of the story.'

In the meantime, CarolinaF, did you buy/find this pic in NC? What makes you think it is from the early 1900s; is there a date on it? Can you make a close-up of the bow of the ship so we can see if there is a figurehead or bust?

Thanks,
Breezie

 

[CarolinaFinder2011]

Breezie I have included a few more pics of the bow of the ship and also the flag on the top. The picture is from South Carolina. It has no marking as to the age, etc. I was guessing at the age because the owner, who is in their 90s, said it was their mother's and they remembered seeing it hanging on the wall when they were very young. I just thought it was a very cool pic. The colors are much more vibrant than the pictures show. Thanks for any additional thoughts.

 

[wheelerite]

My guess is that painting is a hundred years older than you think judging by the dress of the sailors.
ksmith

 

[Breezie]

CarolinaF thank you for posting those photos. My paternal grandfather was a Merchant Mariner. He was also an Artist. He painted a picture on canvas of his clipper ship, The Red Jacket. He died an early death (not at sea), and my Daddy was only 12 years when his Dad died. The painting was either given away, misplaced, sold, or whatever. My family has been looking for his painting for years. Every time I see a painting of a clipper ship, I try to figure out if this is my granddaddy painting.

Below is a pic of 2 pages from my granddaddy's discharge book. As you can see he left Newport News, Virginia on April 2, 1905 and sailed to Cardiff, England arriving August 4, 1905, them left the same day on the HES Hercules back to Newport News, VA arriving July 5, 1906. That's 15 months at sea; no wonder the death rate of Merchant Mariners was 1 in 24.

At any rate, I couldn't figure out the signature, and the figurehead on the ship was hard to see/tell what it was. The Red Jacket figurehead was a life size replica of the Seneca Chief, 'Red Jacket.'

In reality, I don't think your painting is the one I'm looking for because of the signature, which could be the person's name and/or the name of the ship. If you have any information on the people who owned the painting or if they can remember where they got it, I'd certainly appreciate it.

Thanks, Breezie

 

[trikikiwi]

Very cool painting. You will probably be surprised in what you will see (and possibly $$receive$$)
if you get it professionally restored.

I can't help with the signature - but the topic matter is interesting.
To me it appears,
the vessel seems to be honking along (at speed)
and there is a group of sailors standing at the port bow, following a searchlight.
A tattered, early looking, USA flag flutters from the mast - and why the two lifeboats, hung at the ready?
What are they looking for?

Is this a depiction of a particular search and rescue operation?

Food for thought.

Cheers, Mike

 

[trixie charger]

Very cool painting. You will probably be surprised in what you will see (and possibly $$receive$$)
if you get it professionally restored.

I can't help with the signature - but the topic matter is interesting.
To me it appears,
the vessel seems to be honking along (at speed)
and there is a group of sailors standing at the bow, following a searchlight.
A tattered, early looking, USA flag flutters from the mast - and why the two lifeboats, hung at the ready?
What are they looking for?

Is this a depiction of a particular search and rescue operation?

Food for thought.

Cheers, Mike

Good!!! Another thought, American Ship, with Foreign People, full sail and Life boats ready, to get to America anyway they can? Searching for Freedom BEAUTIFUL Oil painting though!!!! I would pay big$$$ for it! If I had it Looks a lot better to me than paintings that have sold for $3,000+

 

[Mileaway]

circa 1700

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search/controller/view/chs-m12731.html

Regards,
M

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

circa 1700

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search/controller/view/chs-m12731.html

Regards,
M

It looks as if mileaway has found a match.

Is this a painting or a print?

It appears to say 1931 in the bottom left corner.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Mileaway found a matching photograph which is amazing but do you have a print or the original oil painting? Is it on canvas?

 

[Breezie]

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search/controller/view/chs-m12731.html

Regards,
M

It looks as if mileaway has found a match.

Is this a painting or a print?

It appears to say 1931 in the bottom left corner.

Okay, either Carolina has Chicken Salad or Chicken ______. IF his is the original painting, it will be worth 6 figures or more, and he can quit his day job. If he has a print, well, it's a nice print. As BCH said, we need to find out from Carolina if this is a painting or a print. I'd like to see close ups of the back; especially the corners. One positive note: Carolina's painting is signed. The print is not; see the close-up of the signature corner below. GREAT ID-ing work Mileaway Breezie

PS: Carolina, if yours is the real deal, remember us! LOL

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Just a note I posted an oil painting I found a few years back after an eviction signed by a famous artist. I thought I was rich. It turned out to be an oil painting from China. They are turning out famous paintings at an alarming rate. Ill search for the thread. I had several offers to buy it even though it was a forgery.

I cant find the thread. Does anybody remember? It was a country scene with a church. Some guy in Alaska offered to buy it. I gave it to my brother. He still thinks its valuable.

 

[CarolinaFinder2011]

Thanks Mileaway for the ID. Well Breezie I think I may have to keep my day job. It is on a thick type of paper but not canvas. The picture does have texture though so not sure what it is. I once had a chromolithograph that had texture and it sort of looks similar. I don't understand why the original would not have a signature on the lower right but what I have does. Well thanks for the comments and help from everyone. Sorry it didn't turn out to be more exciting.

 

[Breezie]

Thanks Mileaway for the ID. Well Breezie I think I may have to keep my day job. It is on a thick type of paper but not canvas. The picture does have texture though so not sure what it is. I once had a chromolithograph that had texture and it sort of looks similar. I don't understand why the original would not have a signature on the lower right but what I have does. Well thanks for the comments and help from everyone. Sorry it didn't turn out to be more exciting.

Oh, Carolina, don't apologize, it was exciting Yours might be one from China (or elsewhere) like BCH is talking about . . .maybe those employees of that type of company were instructed to paint over part of the print to give it depth and then sign it with a signature that couldn't be read for realism. Breezie

 

[Oilfield Diver]

Hey "Matt Foley", don't go down to your van yet on this; the reason the image does not have the signature is because they cropped the image - it doesn't show the whole painting down to the bottom. Count the horizontal wavelets down from the bow of the ship - they don't show the bottom section of the painting where the signature is..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I guess its a copy. Great ID mileaway.