Help with a pistol bullet

[MCollett]

I am assuming this is a pistol bullet. The site here in Alabama provides us with every type of bullet from the CW to modern. This is the first of this kind I have found. Searched for it on many sites. Looks like a cleaner. But small.

 

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[fyrffytr1]

I am leaning towards it being a cartridge box finial or something along those lines.

 

[Rookster]

I’m not much on bullets but it looks like a Cleaner round. Nice find.

 

[devldog]

This does favor a Williams Cleaner bullet, but I've never seen one this small. I don't know if cleaned bullets were made for revolvers, but someone here will know. Cool find.

 

[digger dug]

looks carved to me

 

[civilman1]

I agree with FF1,looks like a soldier carved finial of some sort.Nice save

 

[BLK HOLE]

I would vote FF1's ID

 

[civil_war22]

I am assuming this is a pistol bullet. The site here in Alabama provides us with every type of bullet from the CW to modern. This is the first of this kind I have found. Searched for it on many sites. Looks like a cleaner. But small.

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Please give me the dimensions, weight on the bullet. The penny doesn’t give much help, it gives a little, bit to precisely figure out your item, we need exactly precise measurements, and the weight. I’m looking at a few in my Holy Grail of Civil War bullets, cannons, and other ordinances.

 

[civil_war22]

Here is the finials used during the civil war. A collection of 59 Union & Confederate cartridge box brass as well as pewter finials used. I’ve found many of them, and the finials were made of these metals, and not of lead. If they were to use a carved bullet in place of a brass or pewter finial it would have been a bit noticeable, and not would have to had been fairly accurately measured to insure fitment. I’ve seen several over the years that were lead bullets, that someone couldn’t ID, and the first thing most go to is carved bullet, or finial. If you can like I said get a measure of the bullet, top to bottom, and side fo side, as well as the weight.

 

[MCollett]

I will get them. Sadly, I had to work all day. I am.alao waiting on a scale to weigh. When I get the info I will post it. Thanks for all your comments! It is lead.

 

[civil_war22]

I will get them. Sadly, I had to work all day. I am.alao waiting on a scale to weigh. When I get the info I will post it. Thanks for all your comments! It is lead.

No anyone who hand reloads? If so have them measure, and weigh it for you. I know I’ve got my measurement equipment, and a digital caliper you can pick up cheap at Harbour Freight. I have a old analog one a old guy had for years. He was a machinist, and any tools I can find around his old house he lets me have( he moved out twenty years ago to take care of his mom), he’s now in his late 80’s, and don’t need them.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Sigh. As I'll explain later, I just got home from 48 almost-sleepless hours in the hospital (don't worry, I'm okay now), so forgive me for letting some frustration show. Doesn't anybody here own the McKee-&-Mason book or at least the $12 Thomas-&-Thomas "Handbook Of Civil War Bullets & Cartridges"? See M&M#s 90 through 95 and T&T#24A&B. It is a British Tranter Revolver bullet, for those revolvers imported by the Confederacy. They were sold with a "matching" bulletmold, like Colt's revolvers.

 

[civil_war22]

Sigh. As I'll explain later, I just got home from almost 48 hours in the hospital, so forgive me for letting some frustration show. Doesn't anybody here own the McKee-&-Mason book or the Thomas-&-Thomas "Handbook Of Civil War Bullets & Cartridges"? See M&M#s 90 through 95 and T&T#24A&B. It is a British Tranter Revolver bullet, for those revolvers imported by the Confederacy. They came with a bulletmold, l

ike Colt's revolvers​

.

Yes, I’ve got both, but don’t hate me right now, I wanted to hear you chime in. I ID’d it at 9:30-10:00 this morning, and was reading a lot on them, but I always encourage everyone even if you’re not a civil war enthusiast to get a caliper, and a digital scale. There’s just too many objects we all find that can be solved by those two tools. It’s a very nice bullet, and the mold itself would be killer to find an original piece.

 

[smokeythecat]

Cannonball guy beat me to it. I thought at first St. Louis arsenal, then I wiped my eyes and saw it was a Tranter! Great find! These are getting expensive now.

 

[devldog]

And there you have it. Great ID on the bullet Cannonball guy. Sorry to hear you were in the hospital, but glad you are now out, and hope you are much better. The hospital is no place for rest.

 

[civil_war22]

Here’s what CBG is referencing:

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Civil_war22 wrote:
> Here’s what CBG is referencing:

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I intend the following only as a polite clarification, to avoid any possible confusion. Actually, I was referencing the McKee-&-Mason book's ID-numbers for bullets... not that book's numbers for metal cartridges, which is the M&M book-page (87) your post shows.

The British-made Tranter revolver bullet found by MCollett had a paper casing, not metal. Readers who are interested in the subject can find the info (and photos) on page 26 in the M&M book.​

 

[civil_war22]

Civil_war22 wrote:
> Here’s what CBG is referencing:

​

I intend the following only as a polite clarification, to avoid any possible confusion. Actually, I was referencing the McKee-&-Mason book's ID-numbers for bullets... not that book's numbers for metal cartridges, which is the M&M book-page (87) your post shows.

The British-made Tranter revolver bullet found by MCollett had a paper casing, not metal. Readers who are interested in the subject can find the info (and photos) on page 26 in the M&M book.​

I was using M&M books ID numbers, I apparently passed the damn paper one groove cartridges, and went to the back. I looked up Tranter in the book, and sent me there. Here’s the right one. Tranter isn’t one bullet I’m familiar with at all, that’s where the confusion of the book came from, we don’t have bullets from guns like that from where I’m at. I’ve looked high, and low, including a guy around our area who buys bullets off guys, and he doesn’t have one either, and hasn’t ever had one brought in to his shop.

 

[MCollett]

That is awesome guys. I find a lot of different bullets here and now I am getting some books and measuring tools! Thank you for all the info. This is why I love this site. Always someone who will have info on a find.

I hope your doing better CBG!

 

[civil_war22]

That is awesome guys. I find a lot of different bullets here and now I am getting some books and measuring tools! Thank you for all the info. This is why I love this site. Always someone who will have info on a find.

I hope your doing better CBG!

You’re welcome. Sometimes learning more than one variety of the same gun is a good learning tool, that way if you ever had to ID another you could use both as references. Well hope he’s doing better, my back is still broke, and they may have to go back in, and do another spinal fusion below the first one, and my knee replacement I had done when all this happened, hasn’t gotten any better, hence why I’ve been asking around for a lighter shovel, that I can also use as a walking stick. Seriously though if you can find a copy of the M&M book that is cheap I would grab it. If it’s missing the paper/plastic cover don’t worry about it, you may get it cheaper due to it not having one. I have one on mine, and can’t believe how expensive they’ve become