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[panagos]

Hello!

 

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[GopherDaGold]

How about some measurements or placing the item next to a ruler? Would definitely help to narrow it down.

 

[Chris_Odom]

I would guess some type of bottle top, measurements plz.

 

[GopherDaGold]

I got nothing on the lettering but look at the two faces. Two people, possibly male, facing each other and it appears that their mouths are open.
Early mouthwash cap or mint tin?

Region where found would help.

 

[panagos]

im from greece, a little island on the west called zakynthos. Well I found it in a place where is far from houses or something to attract people so much.

 

[panagos]

it really looks like something roman like this coin

 

[Chris_Odom]

it really looks like something roman like this coin

you might be on to something.

 

[CRUSADER]

it really looks like something roman like this coin

This was the first thing I thought of. It was popular in the 19th Century to make objects that resembled Roman Coins (I have found a few). The writing was probably the Obverse Legend of the coin it was coping. Clearly a lid to something? & yes they made Lead Lids.

 

[CRUSADER]

it really looks like something roman like this coin

This was the first thing I thought of. It was popular in the 19th Century to make objects that resembled Roman Coins (I have found a few). The writing was probably the Obverse Legend of the coin it was coping. Clearly a lid to something? & yes they made Lead Lids.

So you mean its a lid that represents a copy of a coin?Or something like that?Where can i find some more info about old lids?Or do you

Yes, its most likely a close copy to an Ancient Coin. I have no books on old Lids & never seen much on the internet but I have seen a few found by others. (Lead Lids that is, not one quite like this)

 

[Bramblefind]

maybe this is something for you?

http://ascsa.net/id/corinth/object/mf 14233

Corinth Object: MF 14233

BW 2000 040 05Title: LEAD BOTTLE CAP
Category: Minor Finds
Category Code: MF
Object Number: 14233
Material: Lead
Description: Bottle cap with short straight sides, flat top with moulded decoration.
Condition: Complete or intact. Intact but corroded.
Decoration: In low relief: busts of 2 Negroes facing each other. Have woolly hair, lt. figure bearded; drapery forms a round collar hanging from neck. For type see Corinth XII N2833.
Manufacture: MM
Writing: stamp. Illegible inscription surrounding heads.
Dimensions Actual: D00.024 T00.005
Period: Turkish
Chronology: 15th c. ? Later ?
Site: Corinth
City: Corinth
Country: Greece

 

[CRUSADER]

maybe this is something for you?

http://ascsa.net/id/corinth/object/mf 14233

Corinth Object: MF 14233

BW 2000 040 05Title: LEAD BOTTLE CAP
Category: Minor Finds
Category Code: MF
Object Number: 14233
Material: Lead
Description: Bottle cap with short straight sides, flat top with moulded decoration.
Condition: Complete or intact. Intact but corroded.
Decoration: In low relief: busts of 2 Negroes facing each other. Have woolly hair, lt. figure bearded; drapery forms a round collar hanging from neck. For type see Corinth XII N2833.
Manufacture: MM
Writing: stamp. Illegible inscription surrounding heads.
Dimensions Actual: D00.024 T00.005
Period: Turkish
Chronology: 15th c. ? Later ?
Site: Corinth
City: Corinth
Country: Greece

Good ID, I take back my Coin theory, this is spot on with the 2 Negroes, I just thought they looked amatuer but they are more like you point out. Great one I don't think its 15th C though, these were popular in the Slave trade era of the Late Georgian period (18th C probably)??

 

[Bramblefind]

You're welcome! I just now put the reference info they provided (N2833) into the search on that site and a list of others of those type objects came up here:

http://ascsa.net/research?q="n2833"&v=list&redirect=

 

[Bramblefind]

Here's another -
http://members.aon.at/ch.gugl/feldk2.htm

eta - I used that translate feature on that site and got this-

Ulrich Klein (Württemberg State Museum Stuttgart, Coin) and Wolfgang Szaivert (Institute for Numismatics and Monetary History of Vienna) was able to decipher the inscription and thereby clarify the function of this artifact to. It served as a bottle closure for Theriacum an aqueous solution from the pharmacy of the "Due Mori" in Venice in the 16th and is expected Jahrhundert zu datieren sein. Be dated centuries. Die Inschrift ist wie folgt aufzulösen: THERIACA F[INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN. The inscription is to resolve as follows: Theriaca F [INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN.

"Bei Theriacum hat es sich um eine in Venedig entwickelte Rezeptur gehandelt, die als Medikament gegen die Pest eingesetzt wurde. Die Zusammensetzung ist nicht mehr eindeutig zu rekonstruieren. Ein wesentlicher Bestandteil war jedoch Muskat. Von Venedig aus wurde dieses Medikament nach ganz Europa exportiert" (Quelle: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG). "When Theriacum there has been a case formulation developed in Venice, which was used as a medicine against the plague. The composition can not be reconstructed unambiguously. A major component was, however, nutmeg. From Venice, this drug has been exported all over Europe" (Source: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG).

 

[whynot]

Very nice ID Bramblefind! Das ist sehr gut!
-whynot

 

[CRUSADER]

Here's another -
http://members.aon.at/ch.gugl/feldk2.htm

eta - I used that translate feature on that site and got this-

Ulrich Klein (Württemberg State Museum Stuttgart, Coin) and Wolfgang Szaivert (Institute for Numismatics and Monetary History of Vienna) was able to decipher the inscription and thereby clarify the function of this artifact to. It served as a bottle closure for Theriacum an aqueous solution from the pharmacy of the "Due Mori" in Venice in the 16th and is expected Jahrhundert zu datieren sein. Be dated centuries. Die Inschrift ist wie folgt aufzulösen: THERIACA F[INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN. The inscription is to resolve as follows: Theriaca F [INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN.

"Bei Theriacum hat es sich um eine in Venedig entwickelte Rezeptur gehandelt, die als Medikament gegen die Pest eingesetzt wurde. Die Zusammensetzung ist nicht mehr eindeutig zu rekonstruieren. Ein wesentlicher Bestandteil war jedoch Muskat. Von Venedig aus wurde dieses Medikament nach ganz Europa exportiert" (Quelle: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG). "When Theriacum there has been a case formulation developed in Venice, which was used as a medicine against the plague. The composition can not be reconstructed unambiguously. A major component was, however, nutmeg. From Venice, this drug has been exported all over Europe" (Source: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG).

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[Bramblefind]

Thank you very much Crusader! I will definitely look into it. I might need to put it off for a bit though. My Christmas spending got a little out of hand this year.

 

[DCMatt]

Here's another -
http://members.aon.at/ch.gugl/feldk2.htm

eta - I used that translate feature on that site and got this-

Ulrich Klein (Württemberg State Museum Stuttgart, Coin) and Wolfgang Szaivert (Institute for Numismatics and Monetary History of Vienna) was able to decipher the inscription and thereby clarify the function of this artifact to. It served as a bottle closure for Theriacum an aqueous solution from the pharmacy of the "Due Mori" in Venice in the 16th and is expected Jahrhundert zu datieren sein. Be dated centuries. Die Inschrift ist wie folgt aufzulösen: THERIACA F[INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN. The inscription is to resolve as follows: Theriaca F [INA] ALI DVE MORI VEN.

"Bei Theriacum hat es sich um eine in Venedig entwickelte Rezeptur gehandelt, die als Medikament gegen die Pest eingesetzt wurde. Die Zusammensetzung ist nicht mehr eindeutig zu rekonstruieren. Ein wesentlicher Bestandteil war jedoch Muskat. Von Venedig aus wurde dieses Medikament nach ganz Europa exportiert" (Quelle: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG). "When Theriacum there has been a case formulation developed in Venice, which was used as a medicine against the plague. The composition can not be reconstructed unambiguously. A major component was, however, nutmeg. From Venice, this drug has been exported all over Europe" (Source: Antiquariat Frank Sternberg AG).

Another excellent ID! Here is one more bit of info about the use of this item:
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Meaning of the word THERIACA -

Etymology: New Latin, from Latin, antidote against poison

Date: 1562
: a mixture of many drugs and honey formerly held to be an antidote to poison
___________________
DCMatt

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres another http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/218344-early-1600-s-whatz.html