Help on a military relic ID!!

[ColonialDude]

alright guys. I have asked on every forum imaginable, from the UK to Canada...and nothing.

Someone out there must know what the heck this thing is!?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Zester76/DSC04313.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Zester76/DSC04311.jpg

I found this piece at a site that turned up military artifacts dating from the revolutionary war, to the war of 1812. All British items....including a navy button.

So...I am guessing it's British Navy...or Royal Marines.

The object itself is 1 3/4 inches wide. The back appears to be filled with lead or pewter. Much like the old rosettes that can be found. That being said, I have not heard of a naval rosette before. As you can see, it retains much of it's original gilt.

I have had a couple of suggestions from some folks...but nothing concrete. Just guesses.

It was found at a site in Ontario, Canada...on the shores of Lake Ontario. I have included pics of both sides.

Thanks for your time

Wess

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Agony and Death on a Gold Rush Steamer: The Disastrous Sinking of the Side-Wheeler Yankee Blade - Grab it through Amazon!

[dg39]

Perhaps a rosette from a chest? May have been on a small ceremonial signal cannon base? two ideas.

 

[PBK]

Possibly the central disk from a two-piece, "tongue & wreath" type belt plate. Although many were cast, others (especially those made for dress rather than field use) were die stamped in thin brass, some with the disk backfilled with lead for added strength and resistance to denting. It's not one of the U.S. Navy issues, but could be either a foreign naval or maritime trade stock pattern.

 

[dg39]

Possibly the central disk from a two-piece, "tongue & wreath" type belt plate. Although many were cast, others (especially those made for dress rather than field use) were die stamped in thin brass, some with the disk backfilled with lead for added strength and resistance to denting. It's not one of the U.S. Navy issues, but could be either a foreign naval or maritime trade stock pattern.

I have had and sold several center pieces such as this. (I had forgotten about it.) They were belt center pieces from mainly the Spanish American war time and were hollow stamped thin brass for the U.S. Navy. That is another possible idea . They were about 2 inches in Diam.

 

[ColonialDude]

Thanks for the ideas guys.

Several have suggested a belt plate, or box plate of some sort.

Wish I new 100%

I would have thought if it is military...someone would have seen one before.
I can't find a single soul who has found one like it, or seen one for that matter

This is killing me!!!

 

[Angelo]

Relax Wess.

You are in good hands.

Tony

 

[PostFatal]

looks like someone has seen it before. found these here. http://www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/shop/gift4.html

 

[PostFatal]

also check this out. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/explore/object.cfm?ID=UNI6858

 

[Batch]

Hey there WT,

Google "fouled anchor" plus button or plate. I have scanned a few of the pages looking for the EXACT design as your item...haven't found it yet though. It seems the fouled anchor was/is a common, world-wide motif!

Good luck!

Batch

 

[ColonialDude]

thanks again guys. I understand the fouled anchor is a common design...in both British and U.S. military history. Perhaps other countries as well.

The closest match I found to it on a button, was a U.S. Chief Petty Officer button in Alberts book.

There has to be an exact match to this item out there somewhere!?

 

[PostFatal]

the eyelet hangs down on your pic and also on the pic on my last post,# 7. it is from 18th century Royal Navy. all of the others I've seen have the eyelet up. Hope that helps.

 

[Angelo]

the eyelet hangs down on your pic and also on the pic on my last post,# 7. it is from 18th century Royal Navy. all of the others I've seen have the eyelet up. Hope that helps.

I agree Royal Navy....Canadian Navy

Found some with eyelet down. Also, It appears that the rope/chain on the Royal/Canadian Navy swirls like the one on post. Unlike the US Navy which is the opposite.

Had them. Power went out and lost the sites. Sorry.

Tony

 

[Michelle]

the rope matches in the cufflinks...but not on the other item...hummmm...insignia looking clip on back (impressions) missing clip

 

[ColonialDude]

Thanks for your ongoing help and opinions folks. I am still trying to determine what this is, and if I find out from a source outside of this website, I will be sure to let everyone know.

Here is a picture of two buttons from "Record of American Uniform and Historical Buttons" by Alphaeus H. Albert...commonly known as "Alberts book of buttons"

Little info on these buttons is given in the book unfortunately...ie...no age. Both buttons look extremely close...having the lined background, a pattern around the outer edge, and the anchors are identical as is the ropes length and positioning. The button on the left is closer as the rope runs over the anchor at the top...where the button on the left has the rope under the anchor where it starts.

Both of these buttons are U.S. buttons..."Chief Petty Officer"...no other info is given.


Just thought I would share