Help IDing this..

[Copperhead]

Help ID'ing this..

Well I know what I was told it was...and it was part of a group of other items that help back up the story..but I'd like your opinions of it just as it stands on it's own...thanks

 

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[dg39]

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Looks like something the Albino monk in the dvinci ( did not spell right , but you know) code used.
For self flagellation.
DG

 

[goldgrubber]

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Remake of a cat-of-nine tails? This one was probably made for pleasure rather than torture.

 

[DANGLANGLEY]

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Remake of a cat-of-nine tails? This one was probably made for pleasure rather than torture.

I would have to agree...

 

[Copperhead]

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Thanks for the replies...now could you please explain the term cat of nine tails?

 

[BioProfessor]

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Sure you want to go there??

 

[Mackaydon]

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The word is recorded in English since 1695, and it was probably so called in reference to its "claws".

The instrument traditionally has nine thongs as a result of the manner in which rope is braided. Thinner rope is made from three strands of yarn braided together, and thicker rope from three strands of thinner rope braided together. To make a cat o' nine tails, a rope is simply unraveled into three small ropes, and each of those next unraveled, again in three. A rationalisation (plausibly conceived post factum) for the number nine is that nine is thrice three: a Trinity of Trinities, fitting the concept of the wrongdoer going against the God of the Anglican or Catholic Church and hence against the Holy Trinity (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost) which, theocratically, thus puts the wrongdoer back on the path toward righteousness. It is also said that sailors had a holy cross tattooed on their backs to prevent it from 'unreligiously' being flogged, but there is no evidence for naval authorities awarding such exemption.
Don...


Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o'_nine_tails

 

[Copperhead]

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Excuse my ignorance on the subject...you tell me...do I want to go there? The interesting thing is that same term was used in the telling of the story...I didn't know what it meant then and don't know what it means now..

 

[BioProfessor]

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If you are of legal age, Google B&M Cat of Nine Tails.

 

[Copperhead]

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Thanks professor..I think I'll pass..lol.. I'll will accept Mackaydon definition...I misinterpreted your reply due the the "facts" about the item in the story I was told..

 

[SC_hunter]

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It wasn't used for "spanking" horses..lol

 

[Copperhead]

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Ok, This is the background of the item...My father served in WWII, he spent a least a year in Germany after the war ended. He also brought back a few items, some coins..which I've posted over in the coin section, a German rifle with a bayonet which he sold, numerous German medals, one of which if I remember right was an Iron Cross. The medals were stolen some time in the early 70's. He also brought back a German helmet..which I've posted a picture of and the item pictured above. All except the gun were kept in his army footlocker which I remember discovering as a child. At that time he told me what the items were and where they came from. I believe it was the only time he mentioned them. He wasn’t a big story teller, only in his later years did he tell me of staying in castles, driving Citroens?, and carousing across the German countryside. Except what was sold or stolen, the items stayed packed away in the army trunk. As some of you know..lol I’ve been going through my stacks of boxes that I’ve been lugging around for some 35 years. I recently came across this, and thought I would try and have it identified. The only thing I am SURE of is the item is from Germany, the rest could be true or just a story told to a small boy. ..Any thoughts?

 

[Bluezman]

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Scroll down to the third item on the page and after veiwing the discription; click on the word sold to veiw the price the helmet went for.

http://www.johnnyg.westhost.com/helmets-germany-part3.html


Bluezman

 

[ivan salis]

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the cat o nine as sailors called them weren't simple plain leather like this one ---they had small metal (copper) squares with sharp edges tied on by a hole in one corner of the square---they were pianful devices that would cleave flesh from bone in the hands of "skilled user" the bosun of vessels often prided themselves on the "skill" with which the beat the men upon the capts orders---then men hate both it and them because of of their cruelity--from 10 to 40 lashes was common-(40 lashes would often maim a man for life)----with a salt water wash down afterward upon the raw flesh--it was a from of torture used to rule by terror upon the seaman---as a 27 year seaman from a 4th gen sailing family I know what it is---this one is for S & M beating of others or beating upon ones self-- for rather twisted "fun"----the last "known" recorded flogging on a american ship was in the 1920's thankfully---Ivan

 

[Copperhead]

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thanks for the reply Ivan, I didn't mean to imply that it was a "cat o nine"..(there are only 8 straps on it by the way). I remember my father making some mention of that term, but he told me it came from a concentration camp or pow camp in Germany. That's all I know..

 

[ivan salis]

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still for punishment of others or sick twisted "fun"---that one doesn't look used too much thankfully.