hand tool...no idea its purpose

[bravowhiskey]

hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Here is one for you ol' boys, you hand tool aficionados.

This appears to be a hand forged ..........?

Initially I thought "hog ring pliers" but the indents need to be on both sides and would be somewhat different. One end is split for? I can't envision what this old, obviously a "specialty" tool of some kind, was used for. My guess is it is older than the automotive age, but that is only based on the appearance of the metal and rivet holding it together. I could be way off and that's why I'm inquiring here....

Thanks for your opining,
BW

 

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[spartacus53]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

It looks like it's a blacksmiths tool for forging

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

It looks like it's a blacksmiths tool for forging

 

[lostcauses]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

"blacksmiths tool for forging"
Agreed
Yet the indents look to be for a staple rivet. It would fold out the two prongs on a split rivet like a stapler closes a staple.
That is a WAG by the way. Neat tool.

 

[bravowhiskey]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

"blacksmiths tool for forging"
Agreed
Yet the indents look to be for a staple rivet. It would fold out the two prongs on a split rivet like a stapler closes a staple.
That is a WAG by the way. Neat tool.

what did the head of the split rivet look like? How was it held in the split end of the tool? Would this have been for rivets on, say, horse harness, or some kind of buggy equipment?
Thanx,
BW

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

I've seen Blacksmith's use these.....

 

[johnnyi]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

I think lostcauses got this one right. it seems to be a tool for crimping the ends of a split rivet. Like pliers, these would force the rivet through and then bend the bottom prongs back up into the leather. This tool even has a rivet puller built in. Forging tools look similar in some ways but are completely different. For one thing , the arms are much longer so as not to get your hand so close to the heat. Once you see a split rivet it will be clear how these work.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ev=/images?q=split+rivet+tool&hl=en&sa=G&um=1

 

[stefen]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Horseshoe nail crimper

Used to bend and twist off the nail end then crimp and set the nail head.

Not used much today

 

[mile-ender]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Horseshoe nail crimper

Used to bend and twist off the nail end then crimp and set the nail head.

Not used much today

 

[johnnyi]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

stephen man, did you make that up? (I know you did ) A farrier has always used a hammer to set a horsehoe nail, and the nail is inset into the shoe so there's no "crimping or setting" involved other than with a hammer.

 

[savant365]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...E-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SUNA_en&sa=N&start=40&um=1

Here is a link showing horse shoeing step by step. Take a look at the tool he is using to crimp the nails in the very bottom pic.

HH Charlie

 

[johnnyi]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

stefen, you said 'set the nail head'. If you were talking about setting the point, sure, you use a special pair of pliars sometimes to bend the nail end before hammering it away from the hoof, but this is not that pair of pliers. look closely at the two simicircle indents on the bottom jaw. If you can explain them specific to a farrier tool then I'll admit defeat, but they are perfectly explained for crimping up a split rivet.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Charlie, look at your picture in your link again. These are two distinctly different tools. Your's has a curved jaw to accomodate the angle of the hoof, longer arms for torque, etc. There are tens of thousands of jaw type tools that look kind of alike, but they have diffeernt functions.

 

[savant365]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

I agree they are not identical but i was going off the side with the nail puller (claw) on it. Do you have a pic of split rivet pliers that look like these. Granted the ones in the original post are much older and it will be difficult to find an exact match. I was thinking these might even be some type of old fencing pliers.

Charlie

 

[johnnyi]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

No Charlie, I'm having a time trying to find anything, probably because these would have been such a specialty tool. Still lookin' thought.

 

[savant365]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Agreed, there are literally 1000's of different types out there.

 

[Monty]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

Looks like an old tool to remove the crimp ring on an automotive engine valve stem to me. Monty

 

[bravowhiskey]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

It appears on the one side of the tool jaw to be something that worked similarly to a split rivet. It would seem something 2 sided went in and would be forced to curl outward with a firm grip on the pliers. The opposing jaw would work maybe as a rivet remover. I can see the notch working as such, but you would have nothing to hold anything you were pulling the rivet from. Unless you used the one side of the jaw independently and just shoved it under a rivet and levered it out with a push of the wrist.
As far as forging tool, handles are only 8"...way short like Johnnyl mentioned.
Ferrier tool...unlike any I've seen and my brother in law is a ferrier. not likely.
Pretty sure you got it Johnnyl.
Maybe for harness work or some kind of horse tac. Call this case closed for now.

Thanks all,
BW

 

[AU24K]

Re: hand tool...no idea it's purpose

An old fencing pair of pliers?
Scott