Gray Areas?

[bigscoop]

“If” mineral wealth was discovered in the Colorado territory after the Louisiana Purchase then there would have been no reason to hide it once it had been transported back to the east as it would have been legally obtained from US territories. The only way this would not have been true is if that wealth had come from the “disputed region/border” in the west, or the extreme western portion of Colorado, this boundary not being clearly established until the ratification of the Adams Onis Treaty in 1821, in which the US actually gained border, so in this event the wealth still would have been legally obtained, and again, absolutely no reason to hide it. So, at the time of the second alleged deposit the party would have been certain that their wealth was now legally obtained and free of any possible claims against it.



However, this would not have been the case if this wealth had been obtained from a region west of the settled/agreed border and in fact it would have been illegally obtained Spanish wealth. When Beale was allegedly in Virginia the second time the Adams Onis Treaty had already been assured so there was absolutely no need to hide the wealth, none at all, and in fact the process for legal claim could have begun, and yet it apparently didn't, and the second deposit was still hidden. This obviously begs the question, why was there still a need to hide this wealth? There can only be one possible conclusion, this being that the wealth was somehow illegally obtained.


As for transporting this wealth aboard ship, as some suggest, one has to remember that this would have been extremely risky, not only due to typical risk of sea travel but also due to stepped up customs inspections, something you would want to avoid at all cost with such an enormous amount of illegal wealth on board. The only way one might risk this is if they already had certain arrangements in place to insure that customs would not be an issue but even with this there was still the typical risk of traveling by sea. This traveling by sea would have also exposed your cargo to potentially a lot more eyes in a very confined space. Not saying that it wasn't transported, at least in part, by sea, just pointing out why it may not have been. Just more food for thought.

 

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[ECS]

... When Beale was allegedly in Virginia the second time the Adams Onis Treaty had already been assured so there was absolutely no need to hide the wealth, none at all, and in fact the process for legal claim could have begun, and yet it apparently didn't, and the second deposit was still hidden. This obviously begs the question, why was there still a need to hide this wealth? There can only be one possible conclusion, this being that the wealth was somehow illegally obtained...

When one steps out of the basic story contained in the 1885 Beale Papers, all manner of speculation arises, but the total lack of outside corroborative evidence, even a slight reference, has never been found in 130 years.
An enterprise of that magnitude would have left some trail, be it talk in St Louis concerning the silver/jewelry trade, or the activity around a well known cave in Bedford county.
People are curious and gossip always pervades rural counties, yet the Beale treasure story remained unknown until the job pamphlet was published in 1885 by Ward.
When one eliminates all the outside speculation of possibilities due to the lack of sound compelling evidence, it all returns to Ward and Sherman.

 

[bigscoop]

When one steps out of the basic story contained in the 1885 Beale Papers, all manner of speculation arises, but the total lack of outside corroborative evidence, even a slight reference, has never been found in 130 years.
An enterprise of that magnitude would have left some trail, be it talk in St Louis concerning the silver/jewelry trade, or the activity around a well known cave in Bedford county.
People are curious and gossip always pervades rural counties, yet the Beale treasure story remained unknown until the job pamphlet was published in 1885 by Ward.
When one eliminates all the outside speculation of possibilities due to the lack of sound compelling evidence, it all returns to Ward and Sherman.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Or, perhaps just not with the circumstances that might appear to be the obvious conclusion? It would be great if we could all be Sherlock Holmes, this allowing us the distinct advantage of applying fictional logics to fictional tales that are tailored to meet the fictional logics employed. Having said this, you may be right, or you may be wrong? I noticed you said, "published by Ward." Are you sure about that?

 

[ECS]

... I noticed you said, "published by Ward." Are you sure about that?

As the copyright owner, Ward would be the publisher of record.

 

[bigscoop]

As the copyright owner, Ward would be the publisher of record.

Are you sure about that? There are endless copyright owners in this world who are not listed/recognized as the publishers. Typically, a copyright owner has to go find a willing publisher. And, not all copyright owners were the original author, for that matter. So assuming that Ward had anything to do with the actual writing or publishing of the story is just more of the same speculation, though I do agree that it is strong speculation.

 

[ECS]

If not Ward, who then was the publisher?
The main purpose of the publisher is to collect the money from sales of the authors copyrighted intellectual property.

 

[bigscoop]

If not Ward, who then was the publisher?
The main purpose of the publisher is to collect the money from sales of the authors copyrighted intellectual property.

Well, that's just it. We have no way of knowing who was behind the distribution and sales of the pamphlets? We know where they were printed and we know who's name is on the copyright, but we have no insight into the actual distribution and sales of those pamphlets. Where were the actual physical sales being made and how did the pamphlets arrive there? Who distributed them, if they were ever distributed much at all? We just don't have all of these critical answers.

 

[ECS]

Advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN when John William Sherman was owner and editor, and perhaps were placed for sale at friend Max Guggenheimer's store.

 

[bigscoop]

Advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN when John William Sherman was owner and editor, and perhaps were placed for sale at friend Max Guggenheimer's store.

The evidence we have is only that the pamphlets were intended to be sold. We can't establish where or how they were sold.

 

[ECS]

Well, some must have been sold, if not, there would be no Beale topic.
...with no ciphers to solve and treasure to be found.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If not Ward, who then was the publisher?
The main purpose of the publisher is to collect the money from sales of the authors copyrighted intellectual property.

Charles W. Button...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, that's just it. We have no way of knowing who was behind the distribution and sales of the pamphlets? We know where they were printed and we know who's name is on the copyright, but we have no insight into the actual distribution and sales of those pamphlets. Where were the actual physical sales being made and how did the pamphlets arrive there? Who distributed them, if they were ever distributed much at all? We just don't have all of these critical answers.

Charles W. Button...?