Government Spying: Should We Be Shocked? – Ron Paul

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Government Spying: Should We Be Shocked? – Ron Paul

June 10th, 2013

(TexasStraightTalk) – Last week we saw dramatic new evidence of illegal government surveillance of our telephone calls, and of the National Security Agency’s deep penetration into American companies such as Facebook and Microsoft to spy on us. The media seemed shocked.
Many of us are not so surprised.



Some of us were arguing back in 2001 with the introduction of the so-called PATRIOT Act that it would pave the way for massive US government surveillance – not targeting terrorists but rather aimed against American citizens. We were told we must accept this temporary measure to provide government the tools to catch those responsible for 9/11. That was nearly twelve years and at least four wars ago.

We should know by now that when it comes to government power-grabs, we never go back to the status quo even when the “crisis” has passed. That part of our freedom and civil liberties once lost is never regained. How many times did the PATRIOT Act need renewed? How many times did FISA authority need expanded? Why did we have to pass a law to grant immunity to companies who hand over our personal information to the government?

It was all a build-up of the government’s capacity to monitor us.

The reaction of some in Congress and the Administration to last week’s leak was predictable. Knee-jerk defenders of the police state such as Senator Lindsey Graham declared that he was “glad” the government was collecting Verizon phone records – including his own – because the government needs to know what the enemy is up to. Those who take an oath to defend the Constitution from its enemies both foreign and domestic should worry about such statements.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers tells us of the tremendous benefits of this Big Brother-like program. He promises us that domestic terrorism plots were thwarted, but he cannot tell us about them because they are classified. I am a bit skeptical, however. In April, the New York Times reported that most of these domestic plots were actually elaborate sting operations developed and pushed by the FBI. According to the Times report, “of the 22 most frightening plans for attacks since 9/11 on American soil, 14 were developed in sting operations.”

Even if Chairman Rogers is right, though, and the program caught someone up to no good, we have to ask ourselves whether even such a result justifies trashing the Constitution. Here is what I said on the floor of the House when the PATRIOT Act was up for renewal back in 2011:

“If you want to be perfectly safe from child abuse and wife beating, the government could put a camera in every one of our houses and our bedrooms, and maybe there would be somebody made safer this way, but what would you be giving up? Perfect safety is not the purpose of government. What we want from government is to enforce the law to protect our liberties.”

What most undermines the claims of the Administration and its defenders about this surveillance program is the process itself. First the government listens in on all of our telephone calls without a warrant and then if it finds something it goes to a FISA court and get an illegal approval for what it has already done! This turns the rule of law and due process on its head.

The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing. We need to turn the cameras on the police and on the government, not the other way around. We should be thankful for writers like Glenn Greenwald, who broke last week’s story, for taking risks to let us know what the government is doing. There are calls for the persecution of Greenwald and the other whistle-blowers and reporters. They should be defended, as their work defends our freedom.
 

"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."

George Orwell 1984
 

No where in our constitution does it say we are required to surrender liberties in exchange for supposedly security.

Anytime a government official says we need to sacrifice a little freedom or privacy for security it means they are on a another power grab period... Once they got it they will never give it back without a fight one way or another.

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I am not surprized at all * a powerful central govt always seeks to empower its self more and more and to control its people --its the nature of the "beast" --that's why the founding fathers set up a weak central govt with strong state govts to keep the federal govt "in check" --when the civil war occurred --Lincoln had to change the govt in a effort to hold the country together * he made a strong federal govt with states subject to federal powers--exactly the opposite type of govt from what the founding fathers set up.
 

Since the Patriot Act was enacted, I dont know how anyone could think this kind of thing wasnt ocurring all along.
 

Therein itself lies the problem.

Agreed. I was only a young dumb teenager when the Patriot Act was passed. At that time, I was convinced that Bush and his administration was the devil on earth. I knew even then that the Patriot Act had rights stripping consequences that would change America forever. Although I (obviously) voted for Obama, I was disappointed the first time around that his platform did not address the Act. The second time around, I was disgusted that he still did not do anything to address it. Well, I guess everyone now can see the consequences of the Act.
 

It seems like the Patriot Act has been tweaked by the Obama administration to a new level that simply reeks though and as usual ,when someone pipes up about it,it is flipped back to Bush. If for once Obama would actually be truthful and not deceitful to the masses and treat us like a bunch of idiots I might(notice I said " might") not have such disdain for him.
 

The vast majority af Americans had no idea what the Patriot was doing or the extent it violated our rights, freedoms and privacy.....BUT, that does not change what it is or justify it being enacted or still being tweaked, Obama has taken it to an whole new level is all.....

Americans need to contact their congressional reps and DEMAND it be repealed!
 

It seems like the Patriot Act has been tweaked by the Obama administration to a new level that simply reeks though and as usual ,when someone pipes up about it,it is flipped back to Bush. If for once Obama would actually be truthful and not deceitful to the masses and treat us like a bunch of idiots I might(notice I said " might") not have such disdain for him.

IMO, all the Obama admin is guilty of is not doing something to get rid of it (and moreso for renewing it). If you have disdain for the Act then you have to place equal amount of blame on Bush admin - the ones who concocted the Act!
 

Obama "talked" a good game about "Change" but in the end he was just another politican after all -- and folks are just starting to "wake up" and smell the BS --gitmo ( is still open) spying programs started under bush --still up and running , been "renewed" by Obama after he vowed to end them -- promised to have "open" govt --has constantly hid or denied info from he public.
 

This has been going on since the 50's I can remember going (Down Town) 50's gargon for up town. There use to be guy's standing on the street with box cameras when you walked by they would snap your picture and hand you a yellow slip to fill out and you would get a remembrance of that visit. (Which was a big deal then) You would fill it out with all your info name address etc. Later on the word came out this was the FBI creating files even with your picture. So somewhere there is a picture of my MoM and me deep in there archives. And we paid 50 cents to give them all that info:laughing7:
 

Agreed. I was only a young dumb teenager when the Patriot Act was passed. At that time, I was convinced that Bush and his administration was the devil on earth. I knew even then that the Patriot Act had rights stripping consequences that would change America forever. Although I (obviously) voted for Obama, I was disappointed the first time around that his platform did not address the Act. The second time around, I was disgusted that he still did not do anything to address it. Well, I guess everyone now can see the consequences of the Act.
A teenager in 2001? I got underwear older than that. Now I know why you voted for Obama. You just didn't know any better. I didn't like Dubya either, he was the dumbest Pres. we've ever had. We need a blue collar president. Someone who can actually relate to it's citizens and remembers why the 10th amendment was written.


not to mention the 2nd amendment...
 

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