George and Lucy Vaughn

[Deane]

I have not seen anything on the show about George and Lucy Vaughn. I have also searched this forum's archive and have not seen anything about this important clue.
In the book Oak Island Gold by Williams S. Crooker he saves this story for the very last page. One of the decendents of the original Anthony Vaughn, one of the 3 boys who discovered the original pit under the oak tree limb, related this to him. He claimed that in the upstairs bedroom in the home of his grandparents, George and Lucy, there was an old chest that contained several white cloth bags that were "8 to 10 inches in diameter and 10 to 12 inches long". They contained gold coins. He only knew of them when he was very young. Now if this story is true it means that someone in the family had discovered and collected part or all of the treasure! There might be nothing left!
As you all know there are several stories about persons in the area that suddenly were purchasing land and homes well above their apparent income level.
Does anyone know any more about this couple?
Why have the Lagina brothers never looked into this?

 

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[gazzahk]

It is referred to in this article

https://www.oakislandcompendium.ca/...s-the-story-of-an-oak-island-familys-treasure

Yet another story that supports the idea that treasure was found by the three men in 1795, comes to us from Diana Young Gregory. Diana is a relative of the Vaughan family and very interested in the Oak Island Mystery. Her research uncovered a newspaper article from September 9th, 1991, in which a Carl Mosher states:

In or around 1925, his grandmother showed him a wooden trunk containing about 25 heavy white canvas bags of gold. His grandmother was Lucy Vaughan, relative of Anthony Vaughan, one of the diggers of 1795. The trunk was said to have come from Oak Island. At some point, Uncle Edward Vaughan took the trunk, and disappeared, leaving his property, business, wife, and family.

 

[Deane]

gazzahk, Thanks for that excerpt! The interesting thing here is that the book does not mention anything about an uncle named Edward. It also does not say that they were taken by anyone. I was curious about how heavy this trunk was as it was supposedly on an upper floor of the house and someone had to move it there. So I did this calculation: An 8" diameter bag that is 10 inches long has a volume of 251 cubic inches. If this was filled to a volume of approx. 50% with gold coins then each bag would weigh 87 lbs. (Density of gold = .697 lb./cubic inch) (.697 X 251 X .50 = 87) So if the chest actually contained 25 of these bags it would weigh a whopping 2175 lbs. Over a ton of gold! So these 25 bags had to be moved one at a time and replaced into the trunk. BTW, this gold would be worth US $48 million at today's price. Old Uncle Edward probably never got to spend so much money in his lifetime. I wonder where the rest is hidden?? And who is Carl Mosher and how did he come to know this story? I hope Marty and Rick are following up on this thread.

 

[SSR]

All the Vaughn accounts are dubious. There's an alleged treasure attributable to Anthony Vaughn's son in St Martins, New Brunswick too. It seems people may want their treasure stories attached to him to legitimize them. Two different accounts of that treasure story were published in New Brunswick papers. They get regurgitated now and then. One of these accounts mentions that the treasure was all British gold Guineas dated 1765 if my memory is correct. I don't believe a word of it.

Vaughn is probably the one most responsible for the accounts spread in the papers after the death of John Smith in 1857-58(?). Around the 1860s we start to get all sorts of recollections that Vaughn has had of things that occurred on John Smith's land. Conveniently John Smith is no longer living to corroborate what is circulating. Caveat Emptor.

 

[gazzahk]

I hope Marty and Rick are following up on this thread...

They are aware of all this information. The people who write that blog I referenced are now working for them as part of their crew. The Laginas are not interested in telling the historical true account of Oak Island they are only interested in spinning out their reality TV treasure hunting show for as long as they can.

The show is the cash cow making them rich. They are not interested in anything that does not support the narrative of a treasure not still existing in the pit.

I agree with you and would love to see the history properly examined but the Lagainas are not historians and it is not possible to trust what they say. They proved this with the "faked" finding of the "alleged" 90 foot stoned in the book store...

 

[gazzahk]

One of these accounts mentions that the treasure was all British gold Guineas dated 1765 if my memory is correct. .

I have never seen this account. Do you have a source?

 

[Deane]

The show is the cash cow making them rich. They are not interested in anything that does not support the narrative of a treasure not still existing in the pit.

I agree with you and would love to see the history properly examined but the Lagainas are not historians and it is not possible to trust what they say. They proved this with the "faked" finding of the "alleged" 90 foot stoned in the book store...

Sad to hear this but greed seems to be a big driver of most people these days so I am not surprised. I read that Marty already had about 40 to 60 million when this show started. All shows have to end sometime so I hope they do find something big and come to some real conclusions before the show runs out of steam.

As far as the "fake" 90 foot stone, I see that they have now begun looking for it under a big bush behind a museum so they have admitted that the one in the bookstore basement was not the real thing.

 

[sasquash]

They are aware of all this information. The people who write that blog I referenced are now working for them as part of their crew. The Laginas are not interested in telling the historical true account of Oak Island they are only interested in spinning out their reality TV treasure hunting show for as long as they can.

The show is the cash cow making them rich. They are not interested in anything that does not support the narrative of a treasure not still existing in the pit.

I agree with you and would love to see the history properly examined but the Lagainas are not historians and it is not possible to trust what they say. They proved this with the "faked" finding of the "alleged" 90 foot stoned in the book store...

Do you think Laird Niven has lost some credibility because of that ?
Sorry for the future of his career ...

 

[gazzahk]

Do you think Laird Niven has lost some credibility because of that ?
Sorry for the future of his career ...

I find him the most trustworthy of any of them. You do see him looking very uncomfortable with many of their claims. He is always very careful about what he actually says. Must be a difficult position for him.

Hope he is being well paid..

 

[Zom]

Now if this story is true it means that someone in the family had discovered and collected part or all of the treasure! There might be nothing left!
As you all know there are several stories about persons in the area that suddenly were purchasing land and homes well above their apparent income level.
Does anyone know any more about this couple?
Why have the Lagina brothers never looked into this?

But if it was a small treasure, then what are all the works in Smith's Cove indicating some bigger operation?

One possible explanation is they were salt works for preserving fish. https://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/Dennis_King_Mar_2010.shtml

 

[Raparee]

Hope he is being well paid..

I wonder what the going rate is for a man’s integrity these days.

 

[Zom]

I find him the most trustworthy of any of them. You do see him looking very uncomfortable with many of their claims. He is always very careful about what he actually says. Must be a difficult position for him.

Hope he is being well paid..

And let's never forget that this show is heavily edited and it's very possible that anything anyone says that doesn't support the show's narrative can be edited out.

 

[gazzahk]

But if it was a small treasure, then what are all the works in Smith's Cove indicating some bigger operation?

One possible explanation is they were salt works for preserving fish. https://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/Dennis_King_Mar_2010.shtml

That salt story has been debunked many times on here. It is simply ridiculous and has no evidence to support it at all. That guy even says himself his whole idea fails if it rains...

Here is a post from a couple of seasons ago on some of the problems D.kinks salt theory.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/o...eory-naval-stores-j-steele-3.html#post5276066

 

[gazzahk]

But if it was a small treasure, then what are all the works in Smith's Cove indicating some bigger operation?

The works at Smiths cove they dated to 20ish (1775 ish) years before the money pit was discovered (age of the wood via growth rings compared to know aged tree)

Oak Island was owned and inhabited by then there was a community in the area. what ever was been done in Smiths Cove would of been well known by the local fisherman/community.

Some version of J.Steeles theory (naval stores) or a fishing/timber operation seems the most plausible explaintion for the activity in Smiths cove.

The first major indigenous people in Nova Scotia were the Mi'kmaq, who formed an Indian nation in present-day Canada several thousand years ago. The area that encompasses Oak Island was once known as the "Segepenegatig" region. While it is unknown when Oak Island was first discovered, the tribe had a presence in the overall area which included the entire island of Newfoundland.[11] The earliest confirmed European residents date back to the 1750s in the form of French fishermen, who had by this time built a few houses on the future site of the nearby village of Chester, Nova Scotia.[12] Following the Expulsion of the Acadians during the Seven Years' War, the British government of Nova Scotia enacted a series of measures to encourage settlement of the area by the European-descended New Englanders.[12] Land was made available to settlers in 1759 through the Shorham grant, and Chester was officially founded that same year.[12]

The first major group of settlers arrived in the Chester area from Massachusetts in 1761, and Oak Island was officially surveyed and divided into 32 four-acre lots in the following year. A large part of the island was owned at the time by the Monro, Lynch, Seacombe and Young families who had been granted the land in 1759. In the early days of British settlement, the Island was known locally as "Smith's Island," after an early settler of the area named Edward Smith. Cartographer Joseph Frederick Wallet DesBarres renamed the Island "Gloucester Isle" in 1778. Shortly thereafter, the locally used name "Oak Island" was officially adopted for the Island. Early residents included Edward Smith in the 1760s and Anthony Vaughn Sr. in the early 1770s. In 1784, the government made additional land grants, this time to former soldiers, which included parts of Oak Island.[12][13] It wasn't until July 6, 1818 that the original lot owners' names were mapped for the Nova Scotia Crown Lands office.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island

 

[SSR]

The works at Smiths cove they dated to 20ish (1775 ish) years before the money pit was discovered (age of the wood via growth rings compared to know aged tree)

Oak Island was owned and inhabited by then there was a community in the area. what ever was been done in Smiths Cove would of been well known by the local fisherman/community.

Some version of J.Steeles theory (naval stores) or a fishing/timber operation seems the most plausible explaintion for the activity in Smiths cove.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island

One can't date the cove works to 1770 with a reused house frame re-purposed as a pier frame if that is what is meant. Nobody builds with matching numbered joinery to then place it under mud in a cove. The pieces they found were not matched when put together where they lay. Some of the pieces apparently showed purlin notches. There' s enough there to deduce we cannot assume this is not a reused house or barn frame from 1770. That coincides with the earliest residents in the area.

The surveying of the island does date to 1762. It was done by William Morris. The markers and pointers we are given in this story relate to that surveyed line, so we do know that we' re dealing with a colonial era series of events.

I would caution any dating of the cove or the MP site by dating of bits and pieces with no clear context.

I looked into the story of the NB Vaughn gold coin dating, but I can't find it on-line. I believe it comes form a local book I have here somewhere. It may even just be a recollection of a newspaper article. I' ll send you something if I come up with it.

 

[gazzahk]

One can't date the cove works to 1770 with a reused house frame re-purposed as a pier frame if that is what is meant. Nobody builds with matching numbered joinery to then place it under mud in a cove. The pieces they found were not matched when put together where they lay. Some of the pieces apparently showed purlin notches. There' s enough there to deduce we cannot assume this is not a reused house or barn frame from 1770. That coincides with the earliest residents in the area....

I would caution any dating of the cove or the MP site by dating of bits and pieces with no clear context.........

huh? Last series their experts said with certainty that the timber from the U shaped structure and the old slipway that they tested were from 1770(ish). This test was done by comparing the growth rings to a known age tree. If some of those timbers were from then the structure could not of been built before then. This made the dating without any doubt accurate. It is possible it was built later as that is the dating of the trees when they were cut down. The wood may of not been used straight away.

That evening the team gathers back at the War Room to hear the results of testing done on samples of wood that had been taken from various wooden structures the team had discovered once the water was drained from Smith's Cove. Dendochronology uses the rings found in wood to date when the wood was cut. Each sample is compared to samples where the ages of the wood are already known. Tree rings are very specific for each year and the results are considered to be extremely scientifically accurate. Professor Colin Laroque from the University of Saskatchewan did the testing and he joined the team via video chat to give them the results.

The first wood sample-taken from one of the mysterious horizontal walls that had been found in Smith's Cove. Professor Laroque was unable to accurately date the wood, due to some water damage of the sample. But the sample from the slipway was dated back to 1771, over two decades before the Money Pit was originally discovered. Two samples from the strange U-shaped structures were dated back to 1769....

https://allyourscreens.com/index.php/recaps/5648-the-curse-of-oak-island-recap-04-16-2019

looked into the story of the NB Vaughn gold coin dating, but I can't find it on-line. I believe it comes form a local book I have here somewhere. It may even just be a recollection of a newspaper article. I' ll send you something if I come up with it.

I have never seen that reference and have studied this topic extensively. Without any evidence to support your claim I seriously doubt it being true. If there was any evidence/reports to support that English gold coins were found I imagine there would multiple references to such evidence/claim.

 

[dmg2016]

All the Vaughn accounts are dubious. There's an alleged treasure attributable to Anthony Vaughn's son in St Martins, New Brunswick too. It seems people may want their treasure stories attached to him to legitimize them. Two different accounts of that treasure story were published in New Brunswick papers. They get regurgitated now and then. One of these accounts mentions that the treasure was all British gold Guineas dated 1765 if my memory is correct. I don't believe a word of it.

I think this is probably the article SSR is referring to.

Source:https://www.oakislandcompendium.ca/blockhouse-blog/on-the-trail-of-oak-islands-lieutenant-daniel-vaughan

 

[gazzahk]

I think this is probably the article SSR is referring to.
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Source:https://www.oakislandcompendium.ca/blockhouse-blog/on-the-trail-of-oak-islands-lieutenant-daniel-vaughan

Thanks

But those coins seem have nothing to do with oak island. But it certainly explains the source of SSR memory I would think.

 

[dmg2016]

Thanks

But those coins seem have nothing to do with oak island. But it certainly explains the source of SSR memory I would think.

That is correct, these coins have nothing to do with Oak Island. I think SSR is using the article to show that the account in Oak Island Gold by Crooker is not based in reality.

Here is another Vaughan account:

Source:https://www.oakislandmystery.com/research/research-index-view

 

[SSR]

huh? Last series their experts said with certainty that the timber from the U shaped structure and the old slipway that they tested were from 1770(ish). This test was done by comparing the growth rings to a known age tree. If some of those timbers were from then the structure could not of been built before then. This made the dating without any doubt accurate. It is possible it was built later as that is the dating of the trees when they were cut down. The wood may of not been used straight away.



https://allyourscreens.com/index.php/recaps/5648-the-curse-of-oak-island-recap-04-16-2019

I have never seen that reference and have studied this topic extensively. Without any evidence to support your claim I seriously doubt it being true. If there was any evidence/reports to support that English gold coins were found I imagine there would multiple references to such evidence/claim.

I already said that the pier frame does not have to have been placed there in 1770 if it was part of a older building. We have no way to know if this was an original use of it. All indications are it wasn't. Slipways built in any part of the colonial era are proof of nothing. That cove has always been used. When there is doubt one cannot come out and declare that it is one thing or another. There is no doubt in the dating of the wood. That is not the point I am making.

On the account, really? You are about to declare me a bullshitter are you? I've been at this probably longer than you have. I live in these parts and I am well aware of all sorts of references in seldom mentioned books that I have never seen documented in OI dumb ass chronicles and stories. In fact the OI study is a bit of a circle jerk among people obsessed with the minutia of searcher accounts after 1848. No one involved in it is even paying much attention to Thomas Halliburton's writings before this period. He had it all figured out before there were even searches on OI. The symbolism in the stories is that recognizable. He laughs at the local Freemasons who were behind it, but not too overtly.

There is no OI treasure mystery. That suggestion was dead before it started. The only thing there is a symbolic reference to the type of Wisdom we should cultivate, and that has nothing to do with digging holes looking for answers.