Found some sort of old copper today... Cant identify though! UPDATE!

[testing123]

Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though! UPDATE!

UPDATE: Don in SJ was 100% correct in his post. It is a Canadian Habitant Token. The green debris is coming off and I can see "CANADA." Will post some updated pics in a few days when some more debris comes off. Thanks!!

I'm not sure if there are much details left, but I think I see some blobs that may turn into a design eventually. Right now I'm just soaking it in water until I can pick up mineral oil tomorrow. Will soaking in water be okay for the night?

It looks to be about the same size as a large cent or possibly pre-1793 copper. Weight is 8.6 grams. I tried showing what little detail is showing now... it seems like there is a long slender object in the center of the obverse, almost like a Massachusettes cent, but it looks too narrow. I placed it over a picture in the Redbook and they look to be the same size. Any suggestions on what I can do to help bring out detail and/or clean it up a bit more?

 

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[Old Dog]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Try the hydrogen peroxide cleaning method.
Takes a little time but could be worth the time.

 

[creeper71]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

DO NOT USE THIS METHOD!! Unless your absolutely sure it's not corroded as this method may take mostly all the detail off the coin!! Trust me! it happened to me... hydrogen peroxide method works wonders but you need a coin that doesn't have flaking or alot of pits..if you have either do not use hydrogen peroxide method.. use tooth picks an wet Q-tips

 

[Narthoniel]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Looks like a good coin with some good detail under it somewhere. If I could hold it I might be able to ID it but hard to tell from the photo.

The folks here may gasp in horror, but with my large coppers I tend to use a toothpick down til I have only a thin layer of dirt left over the coin. I can usually Identify it from that amount of detail, and know what I am working with too since you dont want to overclean a potentially valuable coin.

After identification and preliminary cleaning, i usually use the peroxide method, but it does not always work. Also, you can take the coin by a coin dealer and he/she should be able to ID it for you.

Where did you dig this coin? That detail could help narrow down the possible coins. Don't be too specific of course, just a state/country will do.

Anthony

 

[testing123]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Where did you dig this coin? That detail could help narrow down the possible coins. Don't be too specific of course, just a state/country will do.

Anthony

Hey Anthony,
I found it here in New Hampshire in a town that was settled around 1770. Hopefully this helps! Let me know if you would like any other information.

 

[dfx willy]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

willy from mass! new hampshire that could be a number of coins. hibernia - king george- largecent and so on. show us again after a little cleaning olive oil sometimes works for me. willy.

 

[Kirk PA]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

It is difficult to conclude. We will need a better picture.

Kirk

 

[silverfox41]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

very nice coin ya got there, i always clean my older coins by leting them soak in olive oil for a few days just to soften up the dirt and gunk thats been building up on the coin from being in the earth so long. and then i use a ultra soft baby's tooth brush u can buy one at your local pharmacy. then i dip the toothbrush into the olive oil and rub gently in a circlear motion.it usually take a few times of clean and let soak,but i found it to be the safest way of cleaning them.were neighbors i am in maine but my mother is from keen. n.h. has a lot of historical history there so god only know's what you might find.have fun and find some more of them.congrad's on a great find. "god bless"
ben.

 

[hogge]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Judging by the size of the coin, and the outside rim front and back, I don't think it's a State Copper. Probably an LC. Lots of corrosion on that one. Nice find though.

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Your copper appears to be a 1837 Canadian Habitant Token. I found one (photo attached) and it looks like a match for the figure on the one side and the weight of mine dried and clean is 8.95 grams.

1837 gave rise to the Lower Canada Rebellion and an attractive token design which led to the un sou and Bouquet sous series -- the most extensive of all Cdn. tokens by type. Many were made in Belleville, N.J. Another important design type was also issued in 1837 by the political establishment of the rebellion era. There is a very nice, short collectible series that starts with tokens featuring a French Canadian Habitant on the obverse and the Arms of the City of Montreal on the reverse. 1/2d. & 1d. versions were made by the City Bank, the Quebec Bank, the Banque du Peuple and the Bank of Montreal.

Don

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

The coin was fairly new when it was lost, as evidenced by the detail of the rim and the date (which appears to be 1730's or perhaps 1750's). Odds are it is a King George 2nd. I agree with the other posters to not used peroxide or you will have a non recognizable sea sponge, but instead to soak in olive oil Sometimes you must soak for a year or two, intermittently scraping with your fingernail every few weeks to loosen what you can. It seems that your type of corrosion is not necessarily the very worst that actually creates a crystiline metal within the corrosion, but only time will tell (and a lot of time. You have to be patient with this one.) When dealing with corrosion of this extent your goal is to gently scrape down to the original recognizable plane, not to "clean". There will be pitting and you must preserve the softer corrosion that exists within those pits.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Your copper appears to be a 1837 Canadian Habitant Token. I found one (photo attached) and it looks like a match for the figure on the one side and the weight of mine dried and clean is 8.95 grams.

1837 gave rise to the Lower Canada Rebellion and an attractive token design which led to the un sou and Bouquet sous series -- the most extensive of all Cdn. tokens by type. Many were made in Belleville, N.J. Another important design type was also issued in 1837 by the political establishment of the rebellion era. There is a very nice, short collectible series that starts with tokens featuring a French Canadian Habitant on the obverse and the Arms of the City of Montreal on the reverse. 1/2d. & 1d. versions were made by the City Bank, the Quebec Bank, the Banque du Peuple and the Bank of Montreal.

Don

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

I posted before reading Don's post. I was looking at the apparent "7" at the bottom of the scan, but now I the see the figure now also and agree with Don. Very neat coin. .

 

[jsandin]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Your copper appears to be a 1837 Canadian Habitant Token. I found one (photo attached) and it looks like a match for the figure on the one side and the weight of mine dried and clean is 8.95 grams.

1837 gave rise to the Lower Canada Rebellion and an attractive token design which led to the un sou and Bouquet sous series -- the most extensive of all Cdn. tokens by type. Many were made in Belleville, N.J. Another important design type was also issued in 1837 by the political establishment of the rebellion era. There is a very nice, short collectible series that starts with tokens featuring a French Canadian Habitant on the obverse and the Arms of the City of Montreal on the reverse. 1/2d. & 1d. versions were made by the City Bank, the Quebec Bank, the Banque du Peuple and the Bank of Montreal.

Don

Is it my imagination, or does that Habitant on the obverse look like an evil monster.....

Here is a worn-out Bouquet Sou somebody found in the grass in a Kansas park and gave to me. Somebody must have carried it around for years.

 

[creeper71]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Your copper appears to be a 1837 Canadian Habitant Token. I found one (photo attached) and it looks like a match for the figure on the one side and the weight of mine dried and clean is 8.95 grams.

1837 gave rise to the Lower Canada Rebellion and an attractive token design which led to the un sou and Bouquet sous series -- the most extensive of all Cdn. tokens by type. Many were made in Belleville, N.J. Another important design type was also issued in 1837 by the political establishment of the rebellion era. There is a very nice, short collectible series that starts with tokens featuring a French Canadian Habitant on the obverse and the Arms of the City of Montreal on the reverse. 1/2d. & 1d. versions were made by the City Bank, the Quebec Bank, the Banque du Peuple and the Bank of Montreal.

Don

Dang you have some good eyes Don!!

 

[allen]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

hope that coin cleans up for you !!!

 

[marxionu]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

10% ammonia bath is best for chopper. Check after every hour.

 

[testing123]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

Thanks everyone for all your input! It's soaking in mineral oil right now and I'll provide updated pictures when I can.

The Canadian Habitant token looks like a real possibility!

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though!

I don't think mineral oil will help
Need to use olive oil

 

[testing123]

Re: Found some sort of old copper today... Can't identify though! UPDATE!

Update in 1st post. Item is a Canadian Habitant token!