Found my oldest colonial copper to date (1680-84)(added more finds)

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Last week at this site I found a 1699-1701 worn down William III Halfpenny and after a week of home projects I wanted to get back to the old sawmill site again in hopes of another coin/relic or two.

The hunt yesterday started off with a decent reading right away in the same area that I got the William III, cufflinks and spoon at last week. This time it was my 5th very old buckle from this site and the second Shoe Buckle, broken in half, but with a great design on it and after cleaning, silver plated to boot! Shoebuckledirty.webp

I did a pattern hunt rather intensely in this area, some iron hits, none diggable readings and eventually expanded the search area and about 30 feet away from where most of the relics have been found I got a somewhat funky but definite possible coin reading.

The sugar sand is great to dig in, only a few scattered roots interfere, and the coin reading was deep, perhaps 8 inches or more, I dug a large opening and the funky reading was now in the the dirt pile. I picked it up and even though I knew it had to be a coin, I could not believe how thin it was and clipped and slightly bent to boot. I knew if it was in fact a coin that it was a very old one.

I rescanned the hole and there was still a funky but this time a little better reading in the hole. I scooped out some more dirt and now had a second copper in the pile! Two colonial coppers in the same hole has not happened too often for me over the years so this was a happy time moment. The second copper was immediately identifiable as a KGII bust Halfpenny.
I did not have my digital camera with me so sorry for the quality but here is a cell phone pic of the two coppers at the hole where they were dug. sawmill3.webp

I called it quits for the morning, only hunted less than an hour but it was a good short hunt! :wink:

So the finds for the morning , 2 early coppers and one 1700s shoe buckle sawmillfindsMay25.webp

When I got home, I looked at the two coppers and thought the first one might not have any detail at all and the second copper looked totally blank on the Reverse. To my delight I did get some detail on both sides from both coins after a very long cleaning process.

The first copper found, evidently is my oldest colonial I have found, and I am fairly certain it is a Charles II IRISH Halfpenny, date range 1680-1684, but I suspect this one is a 1682, but will log it as 1680-84. This copper is 26mm in diameter and weighs a paltry 77.2 grains. 1680-84 Charles II Halfpenny Bef n Aft Text.webp

I could tell by the shape of the bust of the second copper that it was a King George II Irish Halfpenny and after cleaning, I was able to see the outline of the crown and some of the Harp but not the date. Judging by the style of the bust of George it would have a date range of 1736-1755. I originally thought the range was up to 1760, but 1760 KGII had the old head King George bust. 1736-60 Irish KGII Halfpenny Bef n Aft.webp

Besides the joy of finding my oldest copper, when I cleaned the broken shoe buckle I noticed it was a nicely plated silver shoe buckle. shoebuckle cleaned.webp


So far, three old coins from this long forgotten sawmill site and hopefully I may get another one or two before I consider the place searched to my satisfaction. Site240 Coin Finds.webp

Perhaps the one baffling thing about the site is what I have not found. To find 3 coppers and 5 old buckles but only 1 button, is not the norm for the sites I hunt. There might be a good reason for the lack of buttons, but it is noteworthy for me.

Here are the finds from this site that all appear to be from the period of the sawmill. Site240Finds.webp

Also, no homestead appears to have been at this site, only a work area, related to the sawmill.

Don
 

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That is an outstanding hunt, Don! That Charles II copper is a unique copper for Colonial America!

Kyle
 

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Wow, very nice..... And you are making me drool on my keyboard.
Congrats on your oldest copper!

DANGLANGLEY
 

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You are having a record year for sure, Don. Congratulations on such an old copper coin. You have my oldest copper beat by 10 years or so.

Keep hunting with the Colonial passion!

Kirk
 

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WTG! Don! See you are still doing great! Miss chatting!
 

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Off the charts! Can I ask you how you clean your coppers, if you don't mind? All of those finds from that site are remarkable.
 

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Very Very Nice! You got me beat by 100 years ;D

Brian
 

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nice cleaning job :thumbsup:
 

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What a beautiful arrangement of finds you have there. The silver plated buckle is really something, and what else can I say about the colonials except well done!. I found a GEOII Irish halfpenny of my own a few weeks ago. I wasen't able to pull a date off either, but I suspect mine dates to 1760. I'm sure you have answered this question before, how are you cleaning your colonials?. That is quite a contrast in pics when I compare found to cleaned.

James.
HomesteadHunter.
 

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Excellent finds Don,
You are a Pro at this Hobby and your many finds prove it. :thumbsup:


Nova Treasure
 

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great finds Don as usual , always a nice story to read as well . i wouldn't be surprised if there was an on-grade cabin site (no cellar hole)that went along with that old mill site ,that was a pretty common practice back then.i wish you more luck at that site ,congrats again. Dan
 

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I'd love to have sites that old to dig other than my French ones. At my early spots we sure have found a lot of similar buckle pieces. There's one plave in particular that the first digger must have found some beautiful complete ones.

1680 beats me pretty easy on copper! (other than French of course)
 

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I haven't got one of those yet, looks like an Irish one :thumbsup:
 

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I would have most likely fainted if I found a coin from the 1700's, 1600's you wouldn't be able to live with me for a week or better, I'd drive you crazy with my excitement! Great coins, thanks for the encouragement, can't wait to get back out now! :notworthy:
 

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COUNTRY GIRL said:
I would have most likely fainted if I found a coin from the 1700's, 1600's you wouldn't be able to live with me for a week or better, I'd drive you crazy with my excitement! Great coins, thanks for the encouragement, can't wait to get back out now! :notworthy:

CG, your day will come, just remember 19 May 1676, yes, you have a great chance of oldies in your area!!! :thumbsup:

Don
 

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leddel said:
great finds Don as usual , always a nice story to read as well . i wouldn't be surprised if there was an on-grade cabin site (no cellar hole)that went along with that old mill site ,that was a pretty common practice back then.i wish you more luck at that site ,congrats again. Dan

From my three trips to this site I am pretty well convinced no homestead was on this isolated peninusula, but that any dwelling associated with the sawmill would have been and probably was on the more accesssible side of the long gone dam breast and that side is close to a paved county road and it looks like when they made the road "improved" back in the 1930s or so that they used the dirt from where the homestead would have been for road fill. :( So, what I think would be the best side to hunt is nothing more than burrow pits which has been used as a dump by locals years ago.

Most of the sites we hunt have no formal cellarhole, small depressions on a lot. but also we have to look for raised areas where remaining bricks/stones are barely visible under the leaf litter. Big cellarholes lined with stones and such are the exception in this area, most likely due to lack of stone and high water tables.

Don
 

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Geez Don,
You're finding coins as old as Crusader's now. ;D :wink: Simply amazing. :notworthy: Congrats on some fantastic finds.
-MM-
 

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Nice 1600's finds, Don. Worn or not they are a great find in my book :icon_thumright:
 

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This is one of the better posts I've seen in a while. That 1680's copper is 50 years older than my oldest confirmed. Couple of nice coppers, a bevy of wonderful relics add up to a great outing for you Don. Keep vigilant for those ticks though. I pulled one off my back yesterday that was feeding for about 15 hours. I just got a prescription of antibiotics . My doctor recommended them as a precaution. Once again congratulations Don.
Chris
 

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