found in woods.What is it?

paleo10kbc

paleo10kbc

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Hello everyone.
Long time since I've posted here,but I finally found something worthy of your time and extensive collective knowledge.
I was in a small patch of trees here in Ohio a few days ago with my metal detector,and other than some clad change and iron junk,I had no good signals. Then I got off the beaten path and found this.I think it's made of brass. And as I cleaned it up,I noticed a lot of BB's falling out. I think they are lead.checked them with a magnet.
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The blurry photo shows a mercury dime for size reference.Thanks to all for looking,
Paleo10kbc
 

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IronSpike said:
Maybe powder horn spout?
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Close. I think its a powder measure but not for a horn. It may have also been used to measure lead bb shot for a shotgun load. Ill look for a pic. I think its Irish. Nice find.
 

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Shotgun shell reloading tool maybe?
 

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Looks like a match to me :icon_thumright: I agree with BCH, Irish powder measure. Nice find paleo10kbc :icon_sunny:
 

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Dano Sverige said:
Shotgun shell reloading tool maybe?
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Not reloading exactly. More like loading. I think its a lot older, to measure black powder for muzzleloading and was also used to measure the shot that was found in it. Makes you wonder how he lost it. He may have loaded the black powder and was distracted and never got to load the measured shot. Looks like birdshot for hunting.
 

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Wow! You guys are good.I have to agree.Thank You.
Now it seems I have a new mission to find the outer sleeve that is shown on the pictures up in this thread.
Couldn't imagine how something like that got here.
Any idea on it's age?
Thanks again, Paleo10kbc
 

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Im not sure of the age. Its pre Civil War because thats about the time cartridges came into use. It was needed to measure blackpowder and in this case, birdshot, so a hunter couldnt safely hunt without it. SEAHUNTER may be able to tell you more about it.
 

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i see it as a measure/load and the id is correct. fantastic to have the picture!
but , my question is how did the 'shot' stay in it? it didn't have any sort of lid or closure did it? maybe it was just left laying on the ground, full? would the user stuff it with cloth to have a 'load' on hand? it just seems odd that it still had a good measure of 'shot' in it still.

or maybe not?
 

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intimer said:
i see it as a measure/load and the id is correct. fantastic to have the picture!
but , my question is how did the 'shot' stay in it? it didn't have any sort of lid or closure did it? maybe it was just left laying on the ground, full? would the user stuff it with cloth to have a 'load' on hand? it just seems odd that it still had a good measure of 'shot' in it still.

or maybe not?
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Yes, maybe like a speedloader, or a wad may go in between the blackpowder and shot, :dontknow: and he may have had one on top.
 

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I think everyone is on the right track with this item. I 'm pretty sure these were actually attached to the bag that carried the shot. Some had one side for powder and one side for shot. I think there were ones just for shot also that were shaped pretty much like traditional powder flasks. I think one or the other were called shot snakes. I think you pushed a button or something, they gravity filled, you pulled this thing with the shot out, and dumped it down the barrel. I'll try to find a picture, I think you can still buy them.
 

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If I understand intimer's question, The shot was in the measure and then somehow it got packed with mud.I personally didn't realize the shot was there until I ran some water on it and the shot started to drop out.
I'm very pleased with this find now that I know what it is. It could be the oldest find I've ever made!
Thanks to all who helped with the ID!
Paleo10kbc
 

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yes, i was wondering if the shot were 'designed' to stay in the measure during use. so to make it 'at the ready'.

scratcher's picture shows it was part of the shot or powder flask. i can imagine a soldier dropping the part you found in the mud then it being stepped on packing the shot in the dirt. and of course time would secure the shot. the shot and brass could fall straight down because of their weight, or it could have been left in a trench, unused, after battle.

the measure is sort of like a hollow top of a whiskey bottle. when the bottle is turned up side down the lid fills with a measured amount [a shot!]. then the lid can be removed for use.
 

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Bumped forBigCypress,..... wanted to compare this post to the current one by Kiros32
 

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I cant search because Im not a Charter Member. When I search Google "irish powder measure" treasurenet, it comes up without the pictures. :dontknow: :icon_scratch: So I asked for help because I couldnt see the pics. My search looks like this: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,275597.0/imode.html


So I was surprised when it suddenly appeared on top. I thought to myself "how did I do that"?? lol
 

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You can delete it now if you wish. I moved the link to the other post. Thanks for helping. :icon_thumright:
 

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