Found an odd bullet. Anyone know what cal. Or how old?

[RyanOShea]

Found this a while back/ I was hunting in an old old part of town. in an area I dug a few silvers. I dug this in a parkway easement out front of an old turn of the century house. Wasn't much there other than a few mid 30's wheats and this bullet. But, I didnt hit the spot to hard.
I assume the bullet is old. How old, I dunno. And what cal. I dunno either. Im not really a gun guy. But, I do know that it is NOT a 9mm. Maybe an 8mm I though. But still seems to small. The projectile is weird. Just about a bit bigger than a .22. But, the casing is much larger than a .22. Even friends of mine that are into guns find it odd. And I am hoping someone can help me identify it. And give me some info on it.
The projectile, I rubbed a bit with a napkin to show that it is a normal lead projectile with no copper coating. or whatever that copper looking plate is that I find on most bullets I dig.
This one has me stumped.
I put it next to a ruler. In the Cm. So you can see how big it is.
Thanks for looking.
-Ryan

 

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[willie d]

Looks like a 7.62x25 round.

 

[DigginThePast]

Pretty sure willie is correct. Are there any markings on the headstamp?

 

[RyanOShea]

Pretty sure willie is correct. Are there any markings on the headstamp?

Just posted them. I didn't clean this bullet up. So, the stamp might be hard to read. If its old, I tend to leave them as they are found. But, i can put it in the sonic cleaner, and get that embedded dirt out.

What would a 7mm go to? I didn't even know they made such a thing.

When i was younger, I used to like to go shooting. And after my dad passed I inherited some guns. Once took 8mm. And I think it was the Walther ppk. I cant remember. This was years ago. And I sold all those guns.

 

[1liquigirl]

I'm seeing 06 Remington Luger. I looked it up in Google images and I see a box made by UMC. The shape of the bullet is not quite right, I'm sure yours is much older than these. All I typed in was Old Remington Luger 06 Bullet

 

[DigginThePast]

REM-UMC 30 LUGER or 7.62x25.

 

[RyanOShea]

I'm seeing 06 Remington Luger. I looked it up in Google images and I see a box made by UMC. The shape of the bullet is not quite right, I'm sure yours is much older than these. All I typed in was Old Remington Luger 06 Bullet

Thanks. For looking into it. You are probably right. Its probably an older bullet as I thought it was. I coudn't read it as I got poor eye sight. Plus, i dunno what to look for. I will do some research on it.
Does 06 mean its a 6mm? Thats an odd sized bullet.
Its also got a hollow point tip. I forgot to mention that.

 

[1liquigirl]

Here's the Pic, I'm sure they made hollow points too.

 

[RyanOShea]

Here's the Pic, I'm sure they made hollow points too.

Looks pretty close. but this bullet, there is no way its 9mm. Its too small. I will take another pic after I eat dinner and post it. And compare it to a 9mm and a .22 so you can see the size. Its close to an 8mm. But, still seems to small. I think what the others are saying above are probably spot on, that its a 7.62mm. I definitely see the lugar marking on it now. and the rem.
I wonder how old it is.....

 

[Packrat1947]

The cartridge shown is a bottleneck type. The normal 9 mm Luger is a straight taper case. The 30 Luger (bottlenecked) was used in the Broomhandle Mauser as one example. I'm sure it was used in other German handguns as well.

Packrat1947

 

[1liquigirl]

Here's the Pic, I'm sure they made hollow points too.

Looks pretty close. but this bullet, there is no way its 9mm. Its too small. I will take another pic after I eat dinner and post it. And compare it to a 9mm and a .22 so you can see the size. Its close to an 8mm. But, still seems to small. I think what the others are saying above are probably spot on, that its a 7.62mm. I definitely see the lugar marking on it now. and the rem.
I wonder how old it is.....

I knew the size was off, and the shape, but you get the idea about the new versus old. Just posting a pic as starting point, these little bullets are much newer than yours.

 

[RyanOShea]

Here's the Pic, I'm sure they made hollow points too.

Looks pretty close. but this bullet, there is no way its 9mm. Its too small. I will take another pic after I eat dinner and post it. And compare it to a 9mm and a .22 so you can see the size. Its close to an 8mm. But, still seems to small. I think what the others are saying above are probably spot on, that its a 7.62mm. I definitely see the lugar marking on it now. and the rem.
I wonder how old it is.....

I knew the size was off, and the shape, but you get the idea about the new versus old. Just posting a pic as starting point, these little bullets are much newer than yours.

yeah i get what you mean totally. It has given me a good starting point for reference. I am just always interested in finding dates, or the era something was made. Its such an odd bullet. At least to me. But yeah I totally agree we found the maker. Now I just gotta find the era this little guy came from.
Thanks again for your help and posting that pic.
And thanks to everyone for their input on it. Its not the most exciting thing to learn about. But, Im just always curious.
So thanks.

 

[turtlefoot13]

If you search Google Images and type in "7.62x25 rifle" and "7.62x25 handgun" you will see a lot of different styles of firearms that use this caliber. Some are pretty wild looking assult type firearms!

Doug

 

[Packrat1947]

The 7.62x25 is a Russian cartridge. It is officially called 7.62x25 Tokarev.

If the stamping is really "Luger", then it has German roots. The 30 Luger was chambered in Broomhandles, P-08 Lugers, and perhaps other German rooted handguns.

Quoted from a reloading site:
Called the 7.65mm Parabellum in most European countries, the 30 Luger was introduced in 1900 by the German firm DWM as the first cartridge the new Luger semiautomatic pistol was chambered for. Of bottleneck design, the 30 Luger is probably best described as a shortened version of the slightly older .30 Borchardt, a pistol that evidently proved inspirational to Georg Luger while he was developing a firearm that would eventually og on to become famous among friend and foe alike. Due to the large number of handguns once manufactured in this chambering, .30 Luger ammunition is still available to U.S. shooters from Remington and Winchester, and to European shooters from Sako, Lapua, GECO, Fiocchi. Both American firms list a 93 grain full metal jacket bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1220 fps. Muzzle energy is listed as 305 foot pounds, virtually the same as the 9mm Parabellum loaded with a 115 grain bullet.

The firearms world has a lot of mixed up standards. i.e. .38 Specials are really .357" in diameter. Parabellum was a military designation, but Luger was a commercal designation. One could go on and on.

[Edited for accuracy and clarity]

Packrat1947

 

[Monty]

The .30 luger is the 9mm Luger necked down to .30 caliber. 7.62mm is commonly called .30 caliber but will probably measure .307" if it is miked. Monty

 

[NHBandit]

The .30 luger is the 9mm Luger necked down to .30 caliber. 7.62mm is commonly called .30 caliber but will probably measure .307" if it is miked. Monty

Agreed. The past few years alot of very early German broomhandle Mauser pistols have been imported from China that have terribly worn bores. A common practice with those is to rechamber & rebore them to use modern 9mm ammo. Over the years they were made in both calibers and some of them had a large red #9 made into the grips to indicate that they were chambered for the more modern 9mm round.

 

[Old Town]

REM-UMC 30 LUGER or 7.62x25.

This is correct. It's a .30 cal round of this early bottleneck design. A cartridge ahead of its time back in 1900 when it was developed. Not really an uncommon cartridge.

OT