Found a Buckle and then got the boot

dirtyJohn

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Nov 30, 2007
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Whiskey Junction, IL
Detector(s) used
Fisher F75 LTD2, Tesoro Tiger Shark, DetectorPro Uniprobe, DetectorPro Pistol Probe
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Well, I decided to go out with the MD and my GPS to check out a site I've been looking into. It just so happened to be in a park run by the Cook county forest preserve district. I know it's not allowed but I thought I had them on a technicality. I've been there before and I found an area on google earth that got me curious. A cool thing with Google Earth is if you use the timeline option, you can sometimes find a picture of the area taken in the fall, when the leaves are down. You can really see well in the woods and find the old paths when combined with the old Illinois Ariel photos from the thirties. Anyways I walked around in the woods for a while using the waypoints on my GPS that I set from Google Earth and found the area I wanted to check out. I found this old copper buckle (very pliable). I figured it was a kid’s buckle from a cowboy suit or maybe some dress buckle. It's way to soft and bendable to be used as a belt buckle. I found another 1919 wheatie close by.
Everything was looking up when I then realized my cell phone wasn't in my coat pocket and thought I must of dropped it so I started back tracking my foot steps all the way back to my car. My eyes were on the ground scanning for my phone when I heard someone on a bullhorn. I looked up and there was a cook county forest preserve cop. I started walking towards him and when I got up to him, he informed me that I was not allowed to MD in the forest preserve and went through the whole "No disturbing the vegetation and turning of sod" that it was considered vandalism.
He seemed like a nice guy and just doing his job, so I kept a civil tongue in my head and told him that I never hunt in the manicured lawn part of the park and the forest floor is just dead leaves, dead branches and mud so there is no sod to turn and as far as disturbing the vegetation is concerned, I didn't say anything but couldn't help but thinking exactly how do you disturb vegetation. Isn't walking on grass disturbing the vegetation? After all, I didn't dig up any plants. I think it's a case of lazy legislation that could be allot more specific. Kind of like performing surgery with a hatchet rather than a scalpel.
I'm kind of bummed about this site since it shows so much promise and I can't blame the cop for doing his job but I may go back there and detect again. If I get arrested, they will have to prove that I turned sod or destroyed plant life. Since I don't do either and metal detecting is not illeagal by itself. It's worth it because I like this hobby and everyday we seem to have fewer public areas to hunt, so if we don't occasionally challenge these laws they will continue to pile them on.
Sorry about the ramble but this pisses me off. I'm tired of all these nature freaks that take over public land and tell you not to stray off the path and don't touch anything.
Happy Fricking Hunting,
John

P.S. The cell phone I thought I lost was sitting on my desk at home. Grrrrr.
 

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Good luck on your return trip...
 

Too bad we don't have that case number from two or three years ago, two guys were popped for detecting a CCFP, and charges dropped because no rules prohibiting MD'ing exist.

If he persisted in the vandalism routine, simply show him a bag of garbage and tell him he could use the garbage you're picked up as evidence in the case against you. In a friendly way of course. Never had any bad interactions with the guys in NW division out here but who knows, we may get an anal type one day, and I'll direct him to park backwards, visor down, and wait his turn.
 

Yea it sucks having to deal with a high and mighty cop, at least yours was cool, the one me and Twistidd ran into was gonna arrest us and confiscate our gear on orders from his Sargent because they got so many complaints (or so he claimed), we were there for maybe an hour and we were the 1st people there and we didn't see anybody, hell the parking lot was empty when we came back. Cops with nothing better to do but to hassle people to feel big. I'm fine with cops doing there jobs but I hate it when they think your all high and mighty. I say go back!!!
 

DirtyJohn,

Sorry about the bad experience. As Kermit mentioned, we had a bad experience too, and it kind of put a damper on the day (though we did keep on detecting at another spot nearby and got silver!)...personally, I'd go back, and if someone tries to give you crap again, show him all the trash you've found. All but one of the CCFP cops were really cool with us when we were detecting, and some are really interested in what we find. A few feel the need to trot around with their tails in the air, unfortunately. I'd ask to see a law in writing, posted or otherwise, regarding your detecting. And always be courteous, I figure the ego-trippin' bad apples might like you more if you show them a little respect.

If you don't want to go back, let me know where this spot is and I will! lol...nah, I'm kidding.

Take care, brother. Come on out with us sometime if you're up for it!

Joe
 

I edited my above post as I wrote it in the heat of the moment and didn't think. I have ran into
Schiller Park Cops
Chicago Cops
Rosemont Cops
Franklin Park Cops
River Grove Cops
Forest Preserve Cops
Metra Cops
Aurora Cops
Gary IN Cops
and many more that I can't think of, I have only been hassteled 1 time. Now I have been told that I cannot MD in an area and was told to leave but I was only hasseled the 1 time (mentioned above). Im sorry if I offended any police lurkers here that was not my intent, you all make the world a safer place. :thumbsup:
 

Nice woman's sash buckle... :)

Yea... everyone hates a law enforcement figure when he IS there and when he's NOT there. 

Sounds like it was no big deal. Maybe next time you can go hunt someplace that's legal?
 

Montana Jim said:
Nice woman's sash buckle... :)

Yea... everyone hates a law enforcement figure when he IS there and when he's NOT there.

Sounds like it was no big deal. Maybe next time you can go hunt someplace that's legal?

Jim,

The laws in our county are vague, and there are no specific laws banning metal detecting, only major digging operarions, i.e. bottles and whatnot.

No one here hates law enforcement figures, but it isn't irrational to be frustrated at those cops who have nothing better to do than to hassle others for their own ego trip. In my experience, the vast majority are not like that. But keep in mind, we are in Crook County, there are some bad apples here.

Joe
 

twistidd said:
Montana Jim said:
Nice woman's sash buckle... :)

Yea... everyone hates a law enforcement figure when he IS there and when he's NOT there.

Sounds like it was no big deal. Maybe next time you can go hunt someplace that's legal?

Jim,

The laws in our county are vague, and there are no specific laws banning metal detecting, only major digging operarions, i.e. bottles and whatnot.

No one here hates law enforcement figures, but it isn't irrational to be frustrated at those cops who have nothing better to do than to hassle others for their own ego trip. In my experience, the vast majority are not like that. But keep in mind, we are in Crook County, there are some bad apples here.

Joe

I thought ALL the public figures from Chicago are squared away! LOL :)

Being a retired cop -I get to react a little to protect the fact that they are just doing the job you are paying them to do... also, in dirtyJohn's very first post, second sentence, he writes; "I know it's not allowed but I.... ". So he already knew it was wrong - then wrote on that he was "challenging the law... ". IMO - you should challenge the laws through your politicians - not by breaking them!

Most all folks are always law abiding but will still roll through stop signs - then complain when they get a ticket.

Regardless of how we view laws... it still an awesome Victorian sash buckle and a great find! :thumbsup:
 

Montana Jim said:
twistidd said:
Montana Jim said:
Nice woman's sash buckle... :)

Yea... everyone hates a law enforcement figure when he IS there and when he's NOT there.

Sounds like it was no big deal. Maybe next time you can go hunt someplace that's legal?

Jim,

The laws in our county are vague, and there are no specific laws banning metal detecting, only major digging operarions, i.e. bottles and whatnot.

No one here hates law enforcement figures, but it isn't irrational to be frustrated at those cops who have nothing better to do than to hassle others for their own ego trip. In my experience, the vast majority are not like that. But keep in mind, we are in Crook County, there are some bad apples here.

Joe

I thought ALL the public figures from Chicago are squared away! LOL :)

Being a retired cop -I get to react a little to protect the fact that they are just doing the job you are paying them to do... also, in dirtyJohn's very first post, second sentence, he writes; "I know it's not allowed but I.... ". So he already knew it was wrong - then wrote on that he was "challenging the law... ". IMO - you should challenge the laws through your politicians - not by breaking them!

Most all folks are always law abiding but will still roll through stop signs - then complain when they get a ticket.

Regardless of how we view laws... it still an awesome Victorian sash buckle and a great find! :thumbsup:
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the info on the buckle. I also stated that MDing is not ilegal by itself. I know I'll be told to leave because normally the police don't take the time to debate the finer points in the law. Afterall I'm just a civilian.
I like most all police that I meet. I've only had a few bad experiences in my entire life. I just don't like being a victim of laziness. It seems to me that whoever complains the loudest, seems to get their way. It's not the way it should be, but I think allot of police just want to avoid hassles more than look at the letter of the law. Just my 2-cents
HH
John
 

Nice buckle,
I've hunted the woods for years and just wave and always get a wave back.
The only problem I have had was a concern of digging for Indian artifacts in lagrange woods years ago when bottle digging.I have carried bags of bottles and long handle shovels many times past FPC, a smile and a wave and on my way..I have spoke with a few Preserve cops about detecting and they were always VERY friendly, asking questions about the finds..
BillT.
 

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