Few field finds....need an ID...

[civilman1]

Few field find's....need an ID...

Went back out to the field next to the cellar I've been huntin'.Two guy's were already in the field about 300yd.'s from where I like to go...spent about three hour's in the field and came out with a couple round's,horseshoe's,some modern day slug's and a piece of iron I'm not sure of.The bullet on the right I tried to look up but didn't have any luck....any idea on the round and piece of iron?Thank's for lookin' and HH!!

 

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[muddyknees]

Re: Few field find's....need an ID...

The bullet I belive is a cleaner bullet from civil war the iron looks to me like a hammer off of a black powder rifle. good finds.
muddyknees

 

[stoney56]

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Civil, did you look at these?
http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/search.asp?Type1=&category=bulletsdug|54&submit.x=32&submit.y=11

 

[civilman1]

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Thank's MK and stoney..it is a cleaner bullet...hear they didn't work too well...

 

[dave-enc]

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congrats on the nice relics civil wtg
hh
dave+bobbie

 

[The Beep Goes On]

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Nice finds civil! That iron thingy...maybe some kind of door handle?

HH!
TBGO

 

[Burdie]

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Do you have a giant magnet . I swear it seems you just attract great finds. Congrats and keep digging. Burdie

 

[civilman1]

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Nice finds civil! That iron thingy...maybe some kind of door handle?

HH!
TBGO

I don't know Beep...the piece's swivel and are free of each other,could be.Thank's

 

[Smartin]

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Civil,

Great finds. A cleaner bullet, I just keep learning about the the past. I have seen a couple black powder replicas and the iron piece resembles the "flint rock(or lock) hammer" as I believe it's called. Congrats again!

Smartin

 

[trk5capt]

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CIVIL, Nice CW Bullets, I Can't Tell The Size Of The Iron Piece But it Looks Like it May Be Part Of An Apple Peeler. trk5capt...

 

[montepollock]

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Trk5 beat me to it,I have a dug peeler that somewhat resembles the piece you found ,but the hole thru the end is not there,Maybe different manufacturer?
I read somewhwere that the williams cleaner bullets were packaged 1 to 20 rounds of mini ball, so that is a nice find.I have several of the type 3,but don,t know what type yours may be.
Nice finds but I confess reading this column almost makes me want to take up golf.Its been a long dry spell for me.Congrats,and HH,Mont

 

[civilman1]

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Trk5 beat me to it,I have a dug peeler that somewhat resembles the piece you found ,but the hole thru the end is not there,Maybe different manufacturer?
I read somewhwere that the williams cleaner bullets were packaged 1 to 20 rounds of mini ball, so that is a nice find.I have several of the type 3,but don,t know what type yours may be.
Nice finds but I confess reading this column almost makes me want to take up golf.Its been a long dry spell for me.Congrats,and HH,Mont

Hey thank's mont...Didn't know that the cleaner bullet's were part of a package,thought they had carried them seperate from the mini's....Learn something new everyday,that's why I love this place.Spring is in the air mont...it won't be long,hang in there.

 

[southbound]

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Cool finds! I have also never heard of a cleaner bullet myself. Congrats. Vern

 

[Daniel in NC]

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TSGMAN-

Here is a bullet that I found in my parents back yard (middle), where an old taven used to be....not exactly the same as yours but similar. My uncle said that he thought that it cleaned the bore of the rifle. Good luck.

-Daniel

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

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Daniel, actually your cleaner-bullet is the same model of Williams' Cleaner bullet as civilman1's ...yours is just "eroded" by soil-acidity.

Civilman1, (and Daniel), in case you have any interest in learning more details about your bullet...
Its full proper name is the Williams' Patent Bore-Cleaner bullet. There were three "regular" models, each intended as an improvement over the previous model. A fourth model was only an experimental version and saw almost no combat-use. They're strictly yankee-manufactured bullets, though of course the Confederates did capture and fire some. The model you found is the Type 3 ...which made its first battlefield appearance in summer 1863 sites. (A few have been found at Gettysburg, but most of the Williams Cleaner bullets from there are Type One and Two.) By early 1864 it seems to have been the only Williams Cleaner version still being issued, so when we dig only the Type 3 model in a site it's a very strong indication we're onto an 1864 action. Records show they were issued with 3-ringers at a 1-to-10 (or 20) ratio ...yet we dig them at a greater ratio. Document-research has discovered the reason for that. It turns out the Type 3's "base-thumbtack" tended to frequently cause it to jame in the barrel ...so yankee troops reacted by tending to throw them away (unfired) in droves. Thus you sometimes dig almost as many Williams Cleaners on a site as you do 3-ringers.

Regards,
TheCannonballGuy (Pete George)

 

[Daniel in NC]

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Daniel, actually your cleaner-bullet is the same model of Williams' Cleaner bullet as civilman1's ...yours is just "eroded" by soil-acidity.

Civilman1, (and Daniel), in case you have any interest in learning more details about your bullet...
Its full proper name is the Williams' Patent Bore-Cleaner bullet. There were three "regular" models, each intended as an improvement over the previous model. A fourth model was only an experimental version and saw almost no combat-use. They're strictly yankee-manufactured bullets, though of course the Confederates did capture and fire some. The model you found is the Type 3 ...which made its first battlefield appearance in summer 1863 sites. (A few have been found at Gettysburg, but most of the Williams Cleaner bullets from there are Type One and Two.) By early 1864 it seems to have been the only Williams Cleaner version still being issued, so when we dig only the Type 3 model in a site it's a very strong indication we're onto an 1864 action. Records show they were issued with 3-ringers at a 1-to-10 (or 20) ratio ...yet we dig them at a greater ratio. Document-research has discovered the reason for that. It turns out the Type 3's "base-thumbtack" tended to frequently cause it to jame in the barrel ...so yankee troops reacted by tending to throw them away (unfired) in droves. Thus you sometimes dig almost as many Williams Cleaners on a site as you do 3-ringers.

Regards,
TheCannonballGuy (Pete George)

CannonballGuy,

Thanks for such good info on the bullets.

 

[birdman]

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nice williams cleaner.They are worth a few bucks! It is hard to find one in good shape.Congrats!! Hey Cannon Ball Guy, good to see you made it over this way. Thanks again for the help a while back.HH

 

[River Rat]

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Civil,

Good to see you out & about. Neat finds.

HH
RR

 

[Southcacalaky]

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Nice job, Congrats, HH Art...

 

[tsgman]

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Daniel, actually your cleaner-bullet is the same model of Williams' Cleaner bullet as civilman1's ...yours is just "eroded" by soil-acidity.

Civilman1, (and Daniel), in case you have any interest in learning more details about your bullet...
Its full proper name is the Williams' Patent Bore-Cleaner bullet. There were three "regular" models, each intended as an improvement over the previous model. A fourth model was only an experimental version and saw almost no combat-use. They're strictly yankee-manufactured bullets, though of course the Confederates did capture and fire some. The model you found is the Type 3 ...which made its first battlefield appearance in summer 1863 sites. (A few have been found at Gettysburg, but most of the Williams Cleaner bullets from there are Type One and Two.) By early 1864 it seems to have been the only Williams Cleaner version still being issued, so when we dig only the Type 3 model in a site it's a very strong indication we're onto an 1864 action. Records show they were issued with 3-ringers at a 1-to-10 (or 20) ratio ...yet we dig them at a greater ratio. Document-research has discovered the reason for that. It turns out the Type 3's "base-thumbtack" tended to frequently cause it to jame in the barrel ...so yankee troops reacted by tending to throw them away (unfired) in droves. Thus you sometimes dig almost as many Williams Cleaners on a site as you do 3-ringers.

Regards,
TheCannonballGuy (Pete George)

CannonballGuy,

Thanks for such good info on the bullets.

Great point Daniel! The last camp {Union} we found has produced around 750 to 800 bullets, with only 2 cleaners. That is one way we determined when the camp was being used. Great find Civil! Tsgman