James William Kincaid III
Tenderfoot
- Jun 21, 2020
- 6
- 9
- Primary Interest:
- All Treasure Hunting
I'd like to see some points of refutation if anyone can come up with anything to shoot this down. Thanks! 🙂
I first learned about Forrest's treasure on Jun 15, 2019 when Terry Carter did an interview about it on his Youtube channel.
It then took me about eight days to solve it using only the poem as my guide. Here's my solve.
The first thing I did is I thought like I'm 80 years walking around with a 42 pound treasure worth millions. I knew I wouldn't want to go too far from home. So, my first step was to find every hot spring in New Mexico to solve where warm waters halt. This was easily done by searching with Google maps. Once I had a list of hot springs I looked for any hot springs that flowed into a creek or river. The first one I looked at was Spence Hot Springs in Jemez Canyon New Mexico, which flows into San Antonio Creek.
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
Then, the next thing I did is I used Google Street View to take it in the canyon down and I stopped at the Rincon Fishing Access.
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
Looking up the meaning of Rincon I found that in the Southwest a Rincon is a bend in a river. And what's another name for a bend in a river? A meander! And what's a walk that isn't too far to walk but a short walk, a meander! And what's here? Yes! Brown trout! The home of Brown. Put in at the home of Brown.
Ok, so put in here? There's nothing there so I took that to mean to go off the road and go straight down from there. And what is the most significant thing straight down from there that relates to the poem? I'll come back to that. Let's look at the next couple of lines of the poem first.
From there it's no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
Who will inherit the earth? That's right, the meek. So, no place for the meek means to leave earth, or go to an aerial view. So, we are in the air looking down and we have the end is ever drawing nigh. We'll come back to this end is ever drawing nigh clue at the end of the solve. Notice the semicolon? That's the only semicolon in the poem, you'll see why later. And so let's keep going straight down from our put in point at the home of brown. And now, what do you see?
Doesn't that look like the end of a paddle? There will be no paddle up your creek but there's a handle of a paddle!
And the "Just heavy loads and water high" is the massive rock formation the paddle handle is composed of and there is also Butterfly Falls adjacent to it.
And what direction is Butterfly Falls creek flowing? It's flowing in the direction of the blaze that is across the valley. Here's where you see how ingenious Forrest was in engineering this poem!
If you've been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
It took me days to solve this part! Why quickly down? And why, if you HAVE BEEN wise? What is "have been" I thought! Have been, is referring to past tense so along with quickly, you have two clues referring to Time! And what happens when you say, "have been and wise" in your mind over and over? What are words that have wise in them that have to do with time? YES! Clockwise! However, we want to use the past tense, so counterclockwise. So, based on that I knew I should be looking for something that has to with a clock! See anything that looks like a clock in this image?
Yes! That's it!
And what time does it say? Let me superimpose a clock over it so you can see the time easily.
Yes, it's 8:49!
I instantly knew one of those clock hands had to point to something. So I looked for a way to do the pointing while thinking about this line. Look quickly down, your quest to cease, and here's what I figured out. It's saying move the hour hand 7 hours and 27 minutes! Counterclockwise of course. The 7 letters in quickly are the hours and there are 27 digits after quickly including the letters, spaces, and commas, which comprise the minutes. So, when we subtract 7 hours and 27 minutes from 8:49 we get 1:22. And that then points the hour hand directly to the peak of Redondo Peak.
This is very significant because redondo means complete or finished, see here. Also, it's so huge it can be seen from as far away as Albuquerque! And, from the Wikipedia article, "Redondo Peak is sacred to various Pueblo peoples of New Mexico and, as a result, hiking and other recreational activities on the mountain are sharply restricted as of 2008. The summit area is occupied by a shrine that was studied and excavated by anthropologist William Boone Douglass in the early 20th century[3] and remained in use well into the 20th century. The shrine and its immediate surroundings are closed to visitors." Forrest is quoted as saying, “It’s not on a top of any mountain. . . it may be close to the top” ~ Collected Works Bookstore Signing, October 22, 2013. He was also quoted as saying, "The woman wanted an additional clue so I told her it's more than 300 miles southwest of Toledo." ~ Huffpost interview, August 23, 2011. About 11 miles Northeast of Redondo Peak there is a mountain called Cerro Toledo. I could see him wanting to die there.
You might not notice Redondo Peak from down in the valley so he gives some more clues.
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
Tarry means black and scant means small, like a pinpoint, or, like a mountain top near the blaze called Rincon Negro.
If you're standing on the peak of Rincon Negro you can see Redondo Peak as can be seen via this Google Earth viewshed illustration. The highlighted green areas identifying what can be seen while standing on Rincon Negro.
Marvel gaze is a clue about Marvel Vision who has artificial intelligence and therefore is super intelligent and I think Forrest was saying here, be smart, and know that you are looking a the treasure. I think the take the chest and go in peace was referring to the sacred ground of Redondo Peak.
Now, back to that semicolon!
The end is ever drawing nigh;
In English grammar, semicolons are used to connect things together. Remember the semicolon came after the home of Brown? What he was saying here is that the end is ever drawing nigh and he is connecting that with Redondo Peak, which means finished. And, look at how it plots out on the map.
In about the same place that he mentions it in the poem, it intersects the projection line to Redondo Peak.
He gives five more subtle clues about time and past tense time by saying, for all to seek, must go, already, I've and now.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I've done it tired, and now I'm weak.
I imagine it gets cold up there on Redondo Peak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
So my conclusion was, the treasure was near the peak, but not necessarily at the peak, but somewhere around the peak of Redondo Peak.
So why didn't I go get it? Yeah, I wanted so bad! I just couldn't get the $1,000 I needed to go there. I couldn't even afford to get the book! I had amassed $27,000 in credit card debt and I just couldn't get ahead because even to this very day my jewelry business was barely paying the bills. I did sell my 1978 Datsun 280Z to get some cash and then I thought I'd buy a used car and just drive there, but the car I purchased ended up having an unseen problem and then winter started coming into play and it was too cold to repair the car so I gave up at that point because Redondo Peak would be covered in snow until towards the end of next summer. And then coronavirus hit and delayed me even further.
One thing I learned a lot about is Forrest himself. He's a very interesting person and has lived an entertaining life. We are very similar in a lot of ways! We're both sculptural artists who cast our art. Him bronze, and me, silver, gold, and platinum. He hates reading and so do I! HAHA! 🤣🤣 He likes celebrity girls and so do I! I have stories to tell, myself, in that regard. He likes to explore and collect things and so do I. I sent him an email once about the robotics exploration methods I have in mind and want to build and I just know if he read that he'd probably get excited about it too. I'd probably hide a treasure myself if I were a millionaire. Maybe I will one day. It's a great way to give people hope in life.
You haven't heard the last of me folks! You'll hear about me sometime in the future, wait and see! 😁
James
I first learned about Forrest's treasure on Jun 15, 2019 when Terry Carter did an interview about it on his Youtube channel.
It then took me about eight days to solve it using only the poem as my guide. Here's my solve.
The first thing I did is I thought like I'm 80 years walking around with a 42 pound treasure worth millions. I knew I wouldn't want to go too far from home. So, my first step was to find every hot spring in New Mexico to solve where warm waters halt. This was easily done by searching with Google maps. Once I had a list of hot springs I looked for any hot springs that flowed into a creek or river. The first one I looked at was Spence Hot Springs in Jemez Canyon New Mexico, which flows into San Antonio Creek.
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
Then, the next thing I did is I used Google Street View to take it in the canyon down and I stopped at the Rincon Fishing Access.
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
Looking up the meaning of Rincon I found that in the Southwest a Rincon is a bend in a river. And what's another name for a bend in a river? A meander! And what's a walk that isn't too far to walk but a short walk, a meander! And what's here? Yes! Brown trout! The home of Brown. Put in at the home of Brown.
Ok, so put in here? There's nothing there so I took that to mean to go off the road and go straight down from there. And what is the most significant thing straight down from there that relates to the poem? I'll come back to that. Let's look at the next couple of lines of the poem first.
From there it's no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
Who will inherit the earth? That's right, the meek. So, no place for the meek means to leave earth, or go to an aerial view. So, we are in the air looking down and we have the end is ever drawing nigh. We'll come back to this end is ever drawing nigh clue at the end of the solve. Notice the semicolon? That's the only semicolon in the poem, you'll see why later. And so let's keep going straight down from our put in point at the home of brown. And now, what do you see?
And the "Just heavy loads and water high" is the massive rock formation the paddle handle is composed of and there is also Butterfly Falls adjacent to it.
And what direction is Butterfly Falls creek flowing? It's flowing in the direction of the blaze that is across the valley. Here's where you see how ingenious Forrest was in engineering this poem!
If you've been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
It took me days to solve this part! Why quickly down? And why, if you HAVE BEEN wise? What is "have been" I thought! Have been, is referring to past tense so along with quickly, you have two clues referring to Time! And what happens when you say, "have been and wise" in your mind over and over? What are words that have wise in them that have to do with time? YES! Clockwise! However, we want to use the past tense, so counterclockwise. So, based on that I knew I should be looking for something that has to with a clock! See anything that looks like a clock in this image?
Yes! That's it!
And what time does it say? Let me superimpose a clock over it so you can see the time easily.
Yes, it's 8:49!
I instantly knew one of those clock hands had to point to something. So I looked for a way to do the pointing while thinking about this line. Look quickly down, your quest to cease, and here's what I figured out. It's saying move the hour hand 7 hours and 27 minutes! Counterclockwise of course. The 7 letters in quickly are the hours and there are 27 digits after quickly including the letters, spaces, and commas, which comprise the minutes. So, when we subtract 7 hours and 27 minutes from 8:49 we get 1:22. And that then points the hour hand directly to the peak of Redondo Peak.
This is very significant because redondo means complete or finished, see here. Also, it's so huge it can be seen from as far away as Albuquerque! And, from the Wikipedia article, "Redondo Peak is sacred to various Pueblo peoples of New Mexico and, as a result, hiking and other recreational activities on the mountain are sharply restricted as of 2008. The summit area is occupied by a shrine that was studied and excavated by anthropologist William Boone Douglass in the early 20th century[3] and remained in use well into the 20th century. The shrine and its immediate surroundings are closed to visitors." Forrest is quoted as saying, “It’s not on a top of any mountain. . . it may be close to the top” ~ Collected Works Bookstore Signing, October 22, 2013. He was also quoted as saying, "The woman wanted an additional clue so I told her it's more than 300 miles southwest of Toledo." ~ Huffpost interview, August 23, 2011. About 11 miles Northeast of Redondo Peak there is a mountain called Cerro Toledo. I could see him wanting to die there.
You might not notice Redondo Peak from down in the valley so he gives some more clues.
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
Tarry means black and scant means small, like a pinpoint, or, like a mountain top near the blaze called Rincon Negro.
If you're standing on the peak of Rincon Negro you can see Redondo Peak as can be seen via this Google Earth viewshed illustration. The highlighted green areas identifying what can be seen while standing on Rincon Negro.
Marvel gaze is a clue about Marvel Vision who has artificial intelligence and therefore is super intelligent and I think Forrest was saying here, be smart, and know that you are looking a the treasure. I think the take the chest and go in peace was referring to the sacred ground of Redondo Peak.
Now, back to that semicolon!
The end is ever drawing nigh;
In English grammar, semicolons are used to connect things together. Remember the semicolon came after the home of Brown? What he was saying here is that the end is ever drawing nigh and he is connecting that with Redondo Peak, which means finished. And, look at how it plots out on the map.
He gives five more subtle clues about time and past tense time by saying, for all to seek, must go, already, I've and now.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I've done it tired, and now I'm weak.
I imagine it gets cold up there on Redondo Peak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
So my conclusion was, the treasure was near the peak, but not necessarily at the peak, but somewhere around the peak of Redondo Peak.
So why didn't I go get it? Yeah, I wanted so bad! I just couldn't get the $1,000 I needed to go there. I couldn't even afford to get the book! I had amassed $27,000 in credit card debt and I just couldn't get ahead because even to this very day my jewelry business was barely paying the bills. I did sell my 1978 Datsun 280Z to get some cash and then I thought I'd buy a used car and just drive there, but the car I purchased ended up having an unseen problem and then winter started coming into play and it was too cold to repair the car so I gave up at that point because Redondo Peak would be covered in snow until towards the end of next summer. And then coronavirus hit and delayed me even further.
One thing I learned a lot about is Forrest himself. He's a very interesting person and has lived an entertaining life. We are very similar in a lot of ways! We're both sculptural artists who cast our art. Him bronze, and me, silver, gold, and platinum. He hates reading and so do I! HAHA! 🤣🤣 He likes celebrity girls and so do I! I have stories to tell, myself, in that regard. He likes to explore and collect things and so do I. I sent him an email once about the robotics exploration methods I have in mind and want to build and I just know if he read that he'd probably get excited about it too. I'd probably hide a treasure myself if I were a millionaire. Maybe I will one day. It's a great way to give people hope in life.
You haven't heard the last of me folks! You'll hear about me sometime in the future, wait and see! 😁
James
