Exploration of sunken shipwrecks on hold

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Exploration of sunken shipwrecks on hold
Lawyer says work cannot start until diving conditions improve
Saturday, March 25, 2006
By BRENDAN KIRBY
Staff Reporter
Government officials and a company that wants to salvage four shipwreck sites it discovered two years ago have told a federal judge in Mobile that they will not try to identify the vessels until diving conditions improve.

Fathom Exploration, based in Gulf Shores, found four shipwreck sites near the mouth of Mobile Bay in 2004. Company officials have said they want to salvage the sites and claim any valuable artifacts that may exist.

But those efforts have been tied up in federal court, where the state and federal governments have laid claims to the sites. A private citizen also has challenged Fathom on grounds that the shipwreck might be a vessel owned by his relatives.

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All parties agreed in December to put the case on hold for a year, while they came to a consensus on how to proceed with the identification of the ship or ships. Although Fathom Exploration officials found four locations, they have said they believe all of the sites might have come from a single sunken vessel that has broken into pieces over the years.

The parties have agreed to keep U.S. Magistrate Judge Bert Milling Jr. informed about their negotiations with written reports every three months. The first of those so-called status reports, filed this month, stated that they are close to working out the details of a procedure to identify the sites.

"As a practical matter, nobody's going to find anything without somebody making a stab at finding out, with some degree of certainty, what's down there," said David Bagwell, a Fairhope lawyer who represents a man who believes at least one of the vessels may be the clipper ship Robert H. Dixey.

Bagwell said he hopes to work out an agreement before the end of June.

"Let the winds of spring die down and get it before hurricane season kicks in. It's a fairly narrow window," he said.

Headed by Gulf Shores resident David Anderson, Fathom Exploration filed a claim in October 2004 seeking control over the wreck sites, which it said lie in an area extending 2 nautical miles from a spot southwest of the Fort Morgan peninsula. The company has refused to give the public more specific coordinates for fear that looters will destroy the sites.

The federal government maintains that the ships are U.S. property if the vessels belonged to the United States or a foreign country. State authorities contend the vessels belong to Alabama if they lie sunken in state waters and that Fathom Exploration would have to get a permit and negotiate an arrangement to split any proceeds it reaps.

At one point, the Alabama Historical Commission was negotiating with the company for such a permit but the status of those talks was unclear on Friday. Michael Mark, an attorney for the Fathom Exploration, was out of town. Assistant Attorney General William Little also could not be reached for comment.

Any agreement allowing the Fathom Exploration to try to identify the site will include provisions governing the hiring of experts and safeguards to ensure that the work is done in an archeologically sound way, Bagwell said.

"We all know that it may be very difficult time identifying what it is," he said. "Whatever it is, it's been there at least 100 years and maybe 300 years.
 

Cablava, you beat me to it and i live here!!!

One of the four is believed to be the CSS Gaines, another the British war ship that attacked the old fort as part of the war of 1812 next to FOrt Morgan but was sunk with all of its cannons onboard. The Uss Philippi was sunk by the guns of Fort Morgan during theWar of Northern Agression ;) when she disobeyed orders and tried to pass the fort. She sunk on the edge of the mouth of the chanel almost due west of the Fort Morgan point.

The floating CSS batteries that I know about are farther up the bay. With all of the hurricanes the line of ships sunk east of Dauphin Island as part of the blockade could have been moved with the huuricanes in 1906, 1979 and the more recent ones. All of those storms had a tremendous amount of water moving in and out of the bay.

The contact from the University of WWest Florida was the only person who did not respond positively to my inquiries about Mobile Bay shipwrecks. I am almost complete with a web site that will cover the Battle of Mobile Bay and her shipwrecks and general history of Mobile and Baldwin County includinga a gallery of artifacts. All of the other research professors sent me copies of their scans, notes, locations and insight. She said my qualifications were not sufficient to share data. ;D Heck, I could have told here that!

Other possibilities include the Miami, built in 1819. Her inspection papers were found in the trunk of a local old timer. Abook at the Gulf Shores library describes a battle between the Miami and the Albemarle which indicates she was a USS ship possibly guarding the coastline during the civil war from CSS blockade runners. The info says she sunk off of the west beach, just south of ASA NELSON's home. The boilers were described as being 20 feet long.
There is also a note that describes a group that was led by DEAN KEBLER from the University of Mobile that walked out at low tide and dug out under a ship. It was discovered to be the CSS ship Monticello. The ship is still there as far as I have been able to find out.

From the Halloway family there is a story of a 3 masted schooner called the Hassie that ran aground off of the West beach and broke up in 1909. They thought the ship was from Italy. They also remember another schooner that went down in 1913 that they believe was called Minnesota.

I have found the local interviews and historical notes are the most accurate.

I hope this was interesting to some.

MichaelB
 

Thats because whilst you are deep in slumber, here in China I am awake and it hit the news while I was at my computer. Just a matter of timming.
 

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