ever seen the like? Toy? effigy?

[bravowhiskey]

it is obviously a rattle snake, note big head on this pit viper. Not found by me, in DILs' collection.

HH,
BW

 

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[Tnmountains]

Now that is as cool as it gets. Do you any history on your friends find? I would think that is very rare. Looks like he will bite you
TnMtns

 

[lostcauses]

that is cool.

 

[JUNKYARD DOG]

Now that is as sweet as it gets. Where was it found by friend? JYD...

 

[bravowhiskey]

Found in Dad-in-laws' collection. He is gone now (rip) and I never knew the province of this piece. Don't even know if it is authentic, but no reason to think it is not. We are still finding stuff we did not know about.

BW

 

[Atlantis0077]

Afternoon,

Not saying it is, not saying it isnt. Strictly for your information....snakes, turtles, eagles and fish hooks are the most often faked effigy flint forms. Unless I dug a piece like that myself and knew the circumstances, I would consider it highly suspect.

Having said that, its a neat little conversation piece.

HH,

Atlantis

 

[Bluesy]

Wow, that is very cool. I hope it is authentic but if I find one of those, I would have to poke it with a stick first.

 

[ink-a-alot]

Wow, that is very cool. I hope it is authentic but if I find one of those, I would have to poke it with a stick first.

Man that sure is cool! thast the first time i hve ever seen something like that, awsome

 

[uniface]

This is completely off the wall, since I know basically nothing about Woodland-Mississipian era stuff except the little that's been absorbed from casual exposure.

That said, Mesoamerican cultures like the Aztecs (as I recall) did do some mighty fancy knapping (stuff like this only bigger, and even a lot more complicated & difficult). Show-off stuff.

Now. Hopewell mirrors a lot of their ideas and techniques in kind of a distant parallel.

So, whatever way it happened, there was clearly communication going on between Mexico and the "O" states here. So you would just about expect to find evidence of this. Which your father-in-law apparently did. (Or whoever he got it from did). Assuming that was 50 years ago, how many fakers with this skill level would have troubled to (or even thought about) burying it for long enough to pick up the kind of mineral deposits from the soil it shows ?

Nobody knows. But, considering it as an abstract proposition (how else could you approach it ?), it's certainly a plausible item, and possibly a significant one.

My admittedly --deleted-- two cents' worth

 

[uniface]

WTF ?

The word "ignorant" gets deleted here ?

 

[uniface]

OK. First letter's an Eye. Second letter's a Gee. Third letter's an En." Next one is "Oh." After that is "Rant."

 

[Atlantis0077]

OH that....yep that is deleted......it got used to much in religion and politics so was booted....LOL

Atlantis

 

[uniface]

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[The Grim Reaper]

Uniface, I believe what you are seeing and thinking is mineral deposits may actually be the remnants of some glue used to glue it to a board at one time.

If Bravo had said it was a personal find and had an in situ to boot I would say one hell of a find and give him a huge congrats, but since 99.999999999999% of items like these are fakes and actually novelty items like the Turtles, Fish Hooks and Eagles I have to have my doubts about this one too.

 

[bravowhiskey]

WTF ?

The word "--deleted--" gets deleted here ?

Hey Uniface,
That's pretty good. Here is one that was squelched on another site....prickly I was writing about the name of the cactus (Prickly Pear) on John Waynes' casket in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance". Go figure.

Dorkfish,

The chemicals used in epoxy/glue should be easy to discern by a professional. That's something I sure could check out. Do you have pics of the novelty items?
The pieces I display are from a collection amassed over a period of over 100 years and passed down through the family. The province of some of them is unknown to me. If there are fakes within I would love to know.

Thanks for everyones input and happy hunting.
BW

 

[Atlantis0077]

Here are some of the effigy repros.... I am sure there are many other sites that have them. If you go to a gem and mineral show there are tons of such things along with some really good repro arrowheads and spears. I am not saying yours is definatly a reproduction, just making you aware of what a rare artifact it is if its not. Worth having it authenticated.

HH,

Atlantis

 

[creek astronaut]

very cool BW,thx for sharing the pics

 

[bravowhiskey]

Thanks Atlantis, can see by those pics the possibilities.

Thanks, Greg-O. Would hope the piece deserves it, but I don't know.

Check my take on you whats it.

Are you ready for some football

BW

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

WTF ?

The word "--deleted--" gets deleted here ?

I have been the admin on at least 18 gaming servers the last 12 years, we can type in a word in a ban list and it will delete all forms of it, even if it is part of another word with no relation to the ban word....It is just a flaw in the programing. The person's name Dick would cause lots of problems on ban list.

 

[bravowhiskey]

Hey Treasure Hunter,

That is a busy little guy down on the sig line. Wears me out just watching him. And thanx, for the explanation on censoring.

HH,
BW