English Edward Long Cross Penny on Medieval Site in Denmark !

[TheDane]

Hi all.

Yesterday I found this Longcross Penny at a medieval site.
The coin has a diameter of 1,8 - 1,9 cm.
The weight is 1,2 grams
Inscripion seems to be: CIVITAS LONDON / EDWAR ANG DNS HYB (?)

I would be very interested to know which of the Edwards let this coin mint?

Interesting is the clear mark on the obverse showing a "print" of a cross, like the one on the reverse.
Has the coin been laying under another coin, when this was minted, or how do one explain that?

Hope you enjoy my find. Not every day these are found in Denmark.

 

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[John Boy]

Now that's a cool looking penny.nice

 

[CRUSADER]

Excellent find, indeed an Ed I
EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB (you nearly got it, just missed the L)

London Mint

 

[CRUSADER]

It shows we were connected by trade in that period.

Ed I London mint is the most common hammered we find. Not saying its common over there, just that if I had to guess which one you would get I would say this or a Lizzy Halfgroat.

 

[TheDane]

Thank you very much for the ID, CRU !!
You are right. It is my third Edward Penny on that site.
Just curious: What specific signs on the coin makes it Ed 1 and not Ed 2 ?

 

[Silver Searcher]

The Reason for the cross appearing on the obverse, is that the coin has been over struck, in outher words the maker was heavy handed good find, Like Cru said a very common find here, not so common there.

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Thank you very much for the ID, CRU !!
You are right. It is my third Edward Penny on that site.
Just curious: What specific signs on the coin makes it Ed 1 and not Ed 2 ?

That is a difficult question as the Obv inscription that you have was on Ed I,Ed II, & Ed III London Mint Pennies.

So you then have to look at Crown Types, letter types, Initial Cross Types, Style of bust/hair, etc.. These series of coins are not my strong point, there are books just about these types & its very detailed.

Therefore, I mostly conclude on the grounds of probability & experience/book study. I could easily be wrong, but I'm 90% happy.

 

[TheDane]

The Reason for the cross appearing on the obverse, is that the coin has been over struck, in outher words the maker was heavy handed good find, Like Cru said a very common find here, not so common there.

SS

Thanks SS.
I do not really understand your point? If overstruck, why then a "in-going" mark of a cross on the coin ? I would understand it, if an other coin with the cross upwards had been laying under this coin, when the cross-side on this coin was minted?
I am a bit confused, sorry


Thanks CRU
A user on a danish forum has told me that it is Class 10ab.

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks SS.
I do not really understand your point? If overstruck, why then a "in-going" mark of a cross on the coin ? I would understand it, if an other coin with the cross upwards had been laying under this coin, when the cross-side on this coin was minted?
I am a bit confused, sorry


Thanks CRU
A user on a danish forum has told me that it is Class 10ab.

Class 10 (Ed I) makes sense, & dates it to 1301-10.

PS. SS means it was a heavy strike, as the Reverse Cross can be seen on the Obverse.

 

[TheDane]

Class 10 (Ed I) makes sense, & dates it to 1301-10.

PS. SS means it was a heavy strike, as the Reverse Cross can be seen on the Obverse.

Thanks for the precise dating !


I see the point of heavy striking, but I would say that such a strike would give an "out-going" mark in the silver.
This mark is clearly "in-going" as if an other coin of the same type has made the mark ??

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks for the precise dating !


I see the point of heavy striking, but I would say that such a strike would give an "out-going" mark in the silver.
This mark is clearly "in-going" as if an other coin of the same type has made the mark ??

Not another coin in the die, its just the result of the thin silver blank being pushed/hammered hard into the reverse die cross. (leaving a concaved impress on the Obv) - Probably a new crisp Reverse Die.

 

[TheDane]

Not another coin in the die, its just the result of the thin silver blank being pushed/hammered hard into the reverse die cross. (leaving a concaved impress on the Obv) - Probably a new crisp Reverse Die.

I´m still stuckling to see the point? Do you mean, that the side with the kings head (Obv.) can be struck so hard that the silver sinks into the die on the reverse side?
Difficult for me to imagine? But you are the experts, so I beleive you. ;-)

 

[TheDane]

I just checked the coin. The "crosses" on both sides are on the exact same spot, so this makes your story the right one !!!
Thanks a lot. Learned something new today !!!

 

[IAMZIM]

Those are really cool! Is that made of silver?

 

[hamiddetecting]

 

[TheDane]

Those are really cool! Is that made of silver?

Yes, it´s a silver coin

 

[vpnavy]

Nice find TheDane!

 

[TheDane]

Thank you all. I´m very happy about the find