Early copper ?

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

I found this copper disc in may at the orchard. At first I was thinking wasted flat button. Now I am sure that it is an early copper of some kind. There really is not much to see. There are some lines on one side, vertical lines that you may see in a shield. They are really hard to get in a picture. The other side has no detail left that I can make out. As you can see in the picture the copper is very thin too.

Pictured with a Coronet Large Cent

26 MM. A little smaller than a Large Cent.
66 grains, 4.4 grams

I dont think that this "copper" will ever get a green check but I would like to hear some ideas on what you think it could be.

VPR

 

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[Bramblefind]

I was just looking around and found this token - with the lines - not sure if this is what you meant by lines though. The weight is a little off though -

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Bar-Copper.1.html

[1785] Bar Copper

Obverse: USA
Reverse: [no text]

Weight: 79.9 g (5.17 grams) Diameter: 25.0 mm Reverse die alignment: 350°

Comments: This token is based on a Continental Army button design. It has a USA monogram on the obverse and thirteen bars on the reverse. Genuine examples, as this specimen, can be identified from later reproductions in that the genuine coin will have a spur protruding down from the far right side of the second bar pointing toward the third bar. Often there is also a small die crack joining the two bars almost in the middle of the coin, although the crack is not visible in this well circulated example. The reverse die alignment assumes the spur on the second bar faces downward (otherwise it is only a guess as to which end is up!)

Provenance: From the Robert H. Gore, Jr. Numismatic Collection.

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

I am thinking more like fine lines that you would see in a shield on the reverse of a NJ Copper or the reverse of a Two Cent Piece.
Here is a better "dirty" picture of the coin. The lines start in thr center and point North East. I have no idea which way the lines should point.

VPR

 

[mainer]

Hey VPR, it almost looks like a 1783 Nova Constellatio copper? If you have the 2010 red book its on page 52. Or Im sure you can google it. Just a guess but looks similar.

 

[Dano Sverige]

In your first pic there seems to be a line (left hand side of your coin) that looks like the line above the date mark on an old English penny.

http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/005/457005_090630164958_English_penny_frt.JPG

My best guess.

 

[Bramblefind]

I see the lines in that last pic. Is this swooping "u" mark on it or am I making things up -

 

[Kirk PA]

I think you should call it the fried Colonial copper. Most likely it is a King George.

Kirk

 

[hogge]

Welcome to the "Fried, Unkown, Copper Disc, Crispy, Colonial Club"! The more you look at it.....The more you'll see. Pretty soon YOU WILL see a Bar Copper!

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

In your first pic there seems to be a line (left hand side of your coin) that looks like the line above the date mark on an old English penny.

http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/005/457005_090630164958_English_penny_frt.JPG

My best guess.

I see the bar or line that you are talking about. I have no idea if you are right or wrong

VPR

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

I see the lines in that last pic. Is this swooping "u" mark on it or am I making things up -

I can see the "u" shape too. It is gone on the cleaned coin

VPR

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

I think you should call it the fried Colonial copper. Most likely it is a King George.

Kirk

Is there a place online where a guy like me can get more detailed info, weight, diameter etc on King George Coppers and other early copper?


VPR

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

Welcome to the "Fried, Unkown, Copper Disc, Crispy, Colonial Club"! The more you look at it.....The more you'll see. Pretty soon YOU WILL see a Bar Copper!

I think I can see King George on one side and Vermont landscape on the other

This will number three in the unknown bin.

VPR

 

[Don in SJ]

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Br-Copper.weights.html Print out the info and save for future reference.

Now, I am fairly certain your coin is non of the regal British coppers. It is not a bar copper, NJ copper. The edges showing on Img 8930 are a clue, what is weird is that part of the copper usually wears down early in the wear pattern.

I think you might be right on this one, no green check on this one. I personally hate to not know when I get a copper like that and will ocassionally get ones out like that years later and start looking fresh in hopes of seeing something missed before in order to ID the coin.

Here is another site you might be interested in for future use.


http://ukcoinpics.co.uk/halfp.html

Don

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Br-Copper.weights.html Print out the info and save for future reference.

Now, I am fairly certain your coin is non of the regal British coppers. It is not a bar copper, NJ copper. The edges showing on Img 8930 are a clue, what is weird is that part of the copper usually wears down early in the wear pattern.

I think you might be right on this one, no green check on this one. I personally hate to not know when I get a copper like that and will ocassionally get ones out like that years later and start looking fresh in hopes of seeing something missed before in order to ID the coin.

Here is another site you might be interested in for future use.


http://ukcoinpics.co.uk/halfp.html

Don

Thank You for the links ! They are exactly what I was looking for.

My copper dont seem to match any of the coppers in the link. I guess that should be no big surprise considering how much weight the coin has probably lost to corrosion.
I guess that I will put it away and look at it again in a few months to see if it fixes its self

Thanks again for the help, VPR