Early 1900s football Pin and late Victorian ladys belt buckle faceplate

[celtex]

Early 1900s football Pin and late Victorian lady's belt buckle faceplate

I got these items in close proximity to each other. The items are stamped cooper? or some such alloy as the VDIs where near silver.

My feeling on the football it is 1880-1910 due to the shape of the ball, melon shaped. Looks to have been swung from a ribbon. So any ideas would be appreciated.

Breezie any ideas? Thanks Breezie!

Thanks for looking.

 

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[NOLA_Ken]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

The football looks like a watch fob to me, age wise no idea.

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

The football looks like a watch fob to me, age wise no idea.

Too thin and light for a fob. It is very thin stamped metal.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

celtex ~

The football piece looks like a watch fob to me, too. Maybe it's similar to the one shown here and was originally attached to a leather strap ... which were likely of a thinner metal than the non-leather types.

SBB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

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[Breezie]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Celtex, Since your football is thin, stamped copper and has a long, narrow attachment, I think it would be on the end of a college/high school ribbon. It could have been an award ribbon, or school spirit ribbon similar to the one below.

As far as the copper rosette looking piece, I'd like to see a pic of the back before making an assessment. Are there any attachment places on the back?

Nice finds Breezie

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Here's a High School pep pin that looks about right. The individual who posted the picture wasn't sure of the date, but "guessed" it was possibly from the early 1940s. However, this is unconfirmed as it could very well be older or newer than that.

Here's a link to the history of Moline High School in Moline, Illinois.

Link: http://www.moline1968.com/scrapbook/school/mhs-history.html

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Celtex, Since your football is thin, stamped copper and has a long, narrow attachment, I think it would be on the end of a college/high school ribbon. It could have been an award ribbon, or school spirit ribbon similar to the one below.

As far as the copper rosette looking piece, I'd like to see a pic of the back before making an assessment. Are there any attachment places on the back?

Nice finds Breezie

The back does have a place where a "finger" may have been used to attach to clothing or hair. It is fairly wide was the reason I was going with hair. I'll get you a back shot.

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Here's a High School pep pin that looks about right. The individual who posted the picture wasn't sure of the date, but "guessed" it was possibly from the early 1940s. However, this is unconfirmed as it could very well be older or newer than that.

Here's a link to the history of Moline High School in Moline, Illinois.

Link: http://www.moline1968.com/scrapbook/school/mhs-history.html

I was going by the shape of the ball for my age guess. The melon shaped balls went out of favor as the forward pass became an intergral part of the game. So I am aging it in that transition period from 1880-1910 era of football.

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Here's a High School pep pin that looks about right. The individual who posted the picture wasn't sure of the date, but "guessed" it was possibly from the early 1940s. However, this is unconfirmed as it could very well be older or newer than that.

Here's a link to the history of Moline High School in Moline, Illinois.

Link: http://www.moline1968.com/scrapbook/school/mhs-history.html

I was leaning toward the pin as the most likely. Might even have been a "sweetheart" pin for the ball players to give to the dates on homecoming.

 

[fireman4youu]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

The football did hang from a ribbion, I have found one similar. I have been told it would of had your name on it an, pinned to a players "lettermen" jacket/coat.
Cool stuff..

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin

Celtex, Since your football is thin, stamped copper and has a long, narrow attachment, I think it would be on the end of a college/high school ribbon. It could have been an award ribbon, or school spirit ribbon similar to the one below.

As far as the copper rosette looking piece, I'd like to see a pic of the back before making an assessment. Are there any attachment places on the back?

Nice finds Breezie

The back does have a place where a "tongue" may have been used to attach to clothing or hair. It is fairly wide was the reason I was going with hair. I'll get you a back shot.

 

[Breezie]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin (Picture added)

Now that I've seen the back, I think it is a late Victorian lady's belt buckle faceplate. There should be some evidence of attachment opposite the latch. Breezie

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin (Picture added)

Now that I've seen the back, I think it is a late Victorian lady's belt buckle faceplate. There should be some evidence of attachment opposite the latch. Breezie

Victorian Clasp

 

[celtex]

Re: Age of the football thingy and the broch/hairpin (Picture added)

Now that I've seen the back, I think it is a late Victorian lady's belt buckle faceplate. There should be some evidence of attachment opposite the latch. Breezie

Now that I've seen the back, I think it is a late Victorian lady's belt buckle faceplate. There should be some evidence of attachment opposite the latch. Breezie

Victorian Clasp

Thanks for the ID all! Poor thing is about to fall napart in the middle where it had cutouts.