✅ SOLVED early 1600s whatz it

[Dan03USMC]

early 1600's whatz it

found this at an early 1600's home site. ( in USA) not sure what it could be The writing around the rim goes as follows --VENETIA * TRIAC ? ? F A LIDRA
I beleive the "animal" in the middle is a griffin. or a winged lion. It is almost the exact size of a U.S. quarter.

Maybe you English geezers may have a clue. I think that is where it was made. late 1500's early 1600's.
thanks for any help, Dan

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[timekiller]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

This word Triacrahas something to do with mothes species. So maybe somekind poison bottle lid or similar.
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[Dan03USMC]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Thanks guys this helps. I forgot to metion that I beleive it is made out of pewter.

Crusader- if not 1600's newer/ older? I didn't know that about the * symbol....good to know. I tried doing a latin to english look up, but got nothing.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Its a medicine bottle cap. (medicamento) but I need a translater. http://books.google.com/books?id=4u...&resnum=5&ved=0CCAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Dan03USMC]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

this is starting to add up. I beleive that a medical doctor built a homestead on top of where the 1600's home-site was. This is good stuff, thanks

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Can anyone translate this?

 

[Bramblefind]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Nice Id Here's a translation of a Wikipedia article on Triaca-

http://translate.google.com/transla...v=/search?q=triaca&hl=en&site=webhp&prmd=ivns

The antidote or teriaca (from Arabic tiryāq of Latin Theriaca and Greek θηριον) was prepared multidrug composed of several different ingredients (sometimes over 70) of vegetable, mineral or animal, including opium and sometimes meat snake . Was used from the third century C. , originally as an antidote against poisons , including those derived from animal bites, and then also used as medicine against many diseases, being considered a universal panacea . It was popularized in the Middle Ages, and for many centuries was used with variations in its formulation, registering in the main pharmacopoeias of the time until he lost height in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

Theriac subsequently became an important article of commerce in Western Europe, the Venetian treacle was especially valued.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

TRIACIA may translate in Spanish to antidote but Im thinking its a lid to some kind of balm from Italy, possibly an ointment tin to rub on sore muscles... or it may have something to do with turpentine.

http://www.wordnik.com/words/triaca

The balm itself, however, is called triaca [in Old Provencal], theriac.
—Chabad.org Weekly Magazine [ Korach 5769 - June 26, 2009 ]
The special industries of Venice were the manufacture of chemicals -- cream of tartar, cinnabar (vermilion), shellac, white lead, and triaca (the
—The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 15: Tournely-Zwirner



ADDED I see your new post Bramblefind. Interesting.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Thats a very old medication. I still dont know the other word (after TRIACKA).

We may looking at a medicine called venetian treacle, or theriaca ex Galena.

In what country was this found?

It looks like a palm tree and maybe a person with a funny hat. ...a griffon?


http://books.google.com/books?id=iw...Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=venetian treacle,&f=false
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[Dan03USMC]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Bigcypresshunter-
this was found in Ma, here in the states. the site dates back to the early 1600's
If youy rotate the pic it is clearly a four legged animal. I think it is a lion with wings. you can see the legs and a tail and a somewhat cartoon-ish face. I think what you thought is a palm tree is a mane.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac137/dan03usmc/001-13.jpg

that small buckle was found near it. It is pewter and I believe 1600's period The center pin is hand wrought iron

 

[Dan03USMC]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

thanks to everyone who helped, the info was great. I am going to mark this one as solved. I guess I am going to call it an early medicine bottle top. An anti venom perhaps. this may have come over on the Mayflower.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

thanks to everyone who helped, the info was great. I am going to mark this one as solved. I guess I am going to call it an early medicine bottle top. An anti venom perhaps. this may have come over on the Mayflower.

I think its very interesting. Im sure someone here can ID the buckle. Does anyone have that good buckle link? SS is good with buckles or Crusader.

Google "venetian treacle", or "theriaca ex Galena" to read about the medicine and search for a match.. Maybe the UK Finds database has something.

 

[timekiller]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

thanks to everyone who helped, the info was great. I am going to mark this one as solved. I guess I am going to call it an early medicine bottle top. An anti venom perhaps. this may have come over on the Mayflower.

Yep that's a nice broken half of a Double Loop Trapezoidal Buckle

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=25343&cat=176

Copper alloy 40mm x 20mm Circa 1620 - 1680

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

Im thinking a most unusual medicine cap . Add a few more finds and post the story in Todays Finds.

 

[Bramblefind]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

I'm having a difficult time seeing the creature you describe on it - but these sure look like what you said you are seeing

Just skimming through this book - it has a lot of good info about that medicine in Venice:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HI...0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=triaca venice&f=false

 

[Dan03USMC]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

wow, you guys are amazing. I can't beleive how much info you gave me. Again, thank you so much. I don't think I can post in todays finds....i found these a couple of years ago. those two items are all I have from that particular hunt. I think I will be going back this spring though. I just have to wait unti the snow melts

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: early 1600's whatz it

The winged Lion is a famous Venetian symbol, I have found a few Medieval coins from that area with this on it. Been around many years, but still don't think its very old

not old UK but maybe old for USA

I kinda see the winged lion now- 2 front paws up and tail down.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im marking it SOLVED

 

[panagos]

i m wondering how the bottle could have looked like!!