✅ SOLVED Eagle

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Good link Kuger!
what does this one measure between the wingtips? According to the link 1821-32 would be 1-1/2" while 1832-51 would measure 2-1/2" (hopefully its one or the other). That is, if I was comparing it to the correct type (hat insignia, infantry, 1822)
 

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pic of back and size please. (put a ruler in the pic)
 

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I think it's a fake guys, got it home and cleaned up and it looked machine pressed :(. Here is the cleaned up pic.
 

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????They were machine stamped!!!the originals!Out of sheet brass
What type of site was it?What else was found there?
 

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It was near a civil war battlefield, I found mini balls as well. I will take a pictures hen I get home.
 

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Unless they did re-inactments what are the chances of this being fake and lost.....chances are almost nill in a reinactment setting!There would be no other reason for it to be there,unless it is the real deal.Whats the back look like?
 

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Empty there is a spot on one wing that looks like something was attached.
 

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I personally in my un-expert opinion think you have a stunning,authentic piece that would be the center for a fantastic display!!!
 

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Here's a picture of the back, looks almost the same in reverse.
 

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Boy,I cant tell,it sure looks good to me?

This is a great example that was recently discussed one here.......you see the nice green patina in the original picture?That is what collectors look for and any damage to that will bring the "value", down(I want to point out that I am not interested in numistatic value,but do like the items I dig to retain any value they may have for my daughters if down the road they need to sell my stuff)The discussion was about not using water on some items and coins,it will remove the patina like is seen on this piece.
Now dont fret,you could rebury this in your yard for some time and may be able to bring some patina back but it may not be the 200 year old "green",it had.
Lesson learned :thumbsup:
 

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I'll chalk that up to lesson learned, but in like you, none of my stuff is for sale it all goes in shadow boxes in my trophy room.
 

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I'll chalk that up to lesson learned, but in like you, none of my stuff is for sale it all goes in shadow boxes in my trophy room.
I wouldnt have even mentioned it,if it not just been brought up recently on another post.
 

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Likely a piece of a mid 19th century Hat Plate

Kuger is pointing in the right direction. The eagle is a US Military Cap Insignia, likely for Infantry use, ca. 1830's. The piece is nearly complete, except for the wire attachment devices that were originally soldered to the back (evidence of solder is noted on two spots on the backside of the wings). These thinly stamped insignia items are rarely found in such complete condition, as usually we see only parts and pieces found.

The link posted, to American Military Insignia 1800-1851, by J. Duncan Campbell, is an excellent reference. The cap insignia posted here, appears to be a match for USNM 60365-M (S-K 121). Figure 37

I think it's a fake guys, got it home and cleaned up and it looked machine pressed
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. Here is the cleaned up pic.

The technology and machinery to roll thin brass, and die-stamp fine designs, was in full swing with the Industrial Revolution. By the 1830's military buttons were being produced of rolled stamped brass as well, along with many other thin stamped and rather flimsy items (note powder flasks of the period for example).

It was near a civil war battlefield, I found mini balls as well. I will take a pictures (w)hen I get home.

Please post pictures of ALL your other finds from the area as well. Are searching in Florida also? There are actually very few Civil War battlefield sites in Florida. These smaller Eagle Cap Insignia devices are more commonly encountered in Pre-Civil War military sites, such as camps, forts, and skirmish sites of the Second Seminole War and Third Seminole War. In my own collection, I have a portion of one of the thin stamped brass Infantry Eagle Cap Insignia, slightly larger in size, that was found on a Second Seminole War period site (1835-1842), along with buttons, bullets, and coins of the same period.

CC Hunter
 

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I found it in North Carolina, near a civil war battle site, I didn't have much timeout so I only found the eagle and a three ring mini ball.
 

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