Eagle I Button CW or Post ?

[Mike in Berks]

I found this Eagle I button today at a farmhouse thats on the
1862 Atlas I do know it's an infantry button with out the shank
There are no words on the back only a "design" on the inner circle.
It's 16mm wide so i assume it's a cuff button A wreath on one side
and 3 arrows on the other. What i'd like to know is .... is it CW or post
CW ? And can the maker be identified by the design on the back ?
I hope you can see the front good enough, it was dusk by the time
i took these pic's




thanks for looking and any info you can provide me Mike

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Looks like words on the back.

 

[johnnyi]

Nice find Mike. Civil War Infantry (horstmann I believe..can't quite read it)

 

[Mike in Berks]

bigcypresshunter i thought i saw words too after a toothbrush and water
rinse seemed to me it was just a film of dirt (that looked like words) flaking
off then i made my reply back to you and clicked POST an i got a warning
someone else( johnnyi ) replied while i was posting sooo, i looked again and
it did look like horstmann sooo, i did the Buckle Boy technique with a skewer
and like me i over did it my user name oughta be "the destroyer"
johnnyi i'm sure you are right saying Horstmann ....... ?
i blame the soil here but, i know too it was my having no patience when
i make a find like this i should've waited till tomorrow and took a
good look at it first

see what i mean i over did it maybe i can get a better photo tomorrow
when the suns out ?

thanks for trying to help me out Big Cy and johnnyi

 

[72cheyenne]

Sometimes you can take your the oil from your own skin and lightly rub the back of the button and it will darken the metal around the stamped words making them more easy to read. Rub light though.

 

[ivan salis]

the arched top of the sheild helps in dating it somewhat as well --later era buttons had a flat top design on the sheild .

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont think its ruined. There appears to be too many letters for Horstmann alone but I see clearly an "N". It usually also says PHILA but I dont see it. ...unless the N is an A.

 

[PBK]

I dont think its ruined. There appears to be too many letters for Horstmann alone but I see clearly an "N". It usually also says PHILA but I dont see it. ...unless the N is an A.

Good eye, BCH!
Looks like a c. 1860-65 "Horstmann & Allien / NY" backmark.

http://www.relicman.com/buttons/imagesbuttons/B5037B.JPG

 

[Mike in Berks]

Sometimes you can take your the oil from your own skin and lightly rub the back of the button and it will darken the metal around the stamped words making them more easy to read. Rub light though.

thanks 72cheyenne i did read that tip previously here thanks Mike

 

[Mike in Berks]

the arched top of the sheild helps in dating it somewhat as well --later era buttons had a flat top design on the sheild .

ivan i do have Albert's button book by looking at that it's a 2 piece button
i've been looking at the leaves and none of them match the ones in Albert's

thanks for the reply Mike

 

[vayank54]

I dont think its ruined. There appears to be too many letters for Horstmann alone but I see clearly an "N". It usually also says PHILA but I dont see it. ...unless the N is an A.

Good eye, BCH!
Looks like a c. 1860-65 "Horstmann & Allien / NY" backmark.

http://www.relicman.com/buttons/imagesbuttons/B5037B.JPG

you guys got it. We always called that the Hortsmann mark with the rays because rays or spokes coming out from the shank.

 

[Mike in Berks]

I dont think its ruined. There appears to be too many letters for Horstmann alone but I see clearly an "N". It usually also says PHILA but I dont see it. ...unless the N is an A.

Big Cy i do see an H and a faint orstmann could be H Horstmann and at the end an N
like you see
I was looking at CW backmarks and the only thing that ends in N is H Horstmann & Allien
i'll have to take a better look at it tomorrow

thanks for your help Mike

 

[ivan salis]

with the rays on the back-- a (H) orstmanm & alle (N )-- eagle I cw era button is a fair bet.

big cy for the win --pbk --for the photo proof .

 

[Mike in Berks]

I dont think its ruined. There appears to be too many letters for Horstmann alone but I see clearly an "N". It usually also says PHILA but I dont see it. ...unless the N is an A.

Good eye, BCH!
Looks like a c. 1860-65 "Horstmann & Allien / NY" backmark.

http://www.relicman.com/buttons/imagesbuttons/B5037B.JPG

WOW, im truly suprised Thanks much for the photo and the link PBK
looks like a perfect match to me i gotta learn to just sit back and think before i attempt
to clean my buttons

BCH, johnnyi, PBK, and everyone else thanks for the help on this
it's time for a check mark

 

[Mike in Berks]

with the rays on the back-- a (H) orstmanm & alle (N )-- eagle I cw era button is a fair bet.

i agree ivan i'm gonna mark it solved thanks for your help Mike

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

PBK got it.