Dream Wrecks and Historical Education

[itmaiden]

Have you found your Dream Wreck yet ? Or maybe you just have the clues ?

Somehow I got caught up in the Matanza's Massacre History, and next thing you know I am finding the original Ft Caroline (archies said they couldn't find it). Well finding the fort only wasn't good enough. I felt competitive enough to try and find the ships of Ribault. I do believe I have found them. It will take some divers to verify they are the French ships.

But what I found more was a sense of satisfaction. My heart really went out for these events in history.
Now I feel that these people have been vindicated as someone has uncovered the truth of the past and what took place. No longer is it just a story. While it has been known that there was a French habitation of some sort in the Cape Canaveral area, demonstrating a part of the story, now the other pieces are here.

I would really love to see someone do a film or documentary on these historical events. Unfortunately, modern day government decisions have destroyed the Ft Caroline site whereas just up to recent years, there were indications of the Fort's existence in this particular location.

It is hard to describe the French wrecks as a Dream Wreck, but for me it was "compelling".

Do you have a Dream Wreck you are still searching for, or some historical place you would like to find to reveal it's history ?



itmaiden

 

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[Sapper23]

Itmaiden,

if this help any:

NPS is working on a reenactment, and a small documentary of Matanzas Massacre in 2012,
there in the beginning stage's " planning" and " funding : right now.

 

[itmaiden]

Who is NPS and how may I contact them ?

itmaiden

Itmaiden,

if this help any:

NPS is working on a reenactment, and a small documentary of Matanzas Massacre in 2012,
there in the beginning stage's " planning" and " funding : right now.

 

[Sapper23]

Itmaiden,


NPS, National Park Service. if your close, go to Fort Caroline , or call #??.
talk to one of " Cultural Resource Program Manager " .

 

[itmaiden]

You mean the National Park Service ? You'vegot to be kidding. I thought of the National Park Service, but hey, they couldn't find the original Ft.Caroline (or pretended not to). Where they built the fake fort and made a National Park, they allowed residential development, but at the same time banned treasure hunters.

Being a TH I sort of see it as a conflict of interest.

itmaiden

Itmaiden,

if this help any:

NPS is working on a reenactment, and a small documentary of Matanzas Massacre in 2012,
there in the beginning stage's " planning" and " funding : right now.

 

[itmaiden]

Let's really think about this...what would they do with a destroyed fort area ? What interest would they have in the ships ? The same interest TH's have. Which side am I on ?

itmaiden

Itmaiden,


NPS, National Park Service. if your close, go to Fort Caroline , or call #??.
talk to one of " Cultural Resource Program Manager " .

 

[Sapper23]

itmaiden,

they couldn't find the original Ft.Caroline (or pretended not to).

What I understand, the lead ranger been looking for the original Fort for the pasted 20 years,
but, I'm native of the area. " It's all about research!!! " that area is loaded, but in pocket's. with house's on top
of the some area's, and other area's with 40feet of fill sand from the river: " Research of maps and notes ",
The Fort is in the river. straight out from the main building to the right. about 50 yards or so' :
I think there pretending or lazy?

either way, that's who you need to contact.

Good Luck

 

[itmaiden]

What ? Tell them and allow them to ban further public exploration ? Nah. I really want a well done documentary and done with professional salvors. It needs to be visually interesting not just a stale historic account. Too many re-enactments look like civil war re-enactments. They all become too much of the same after a while. I appreciate your suggestion and I did think of the NPS For quite some time, but the state and Fed gov't take over way too many treasure sites.

Here is the NPS take on "how they dressed everyday at the Fort":

http://www.nps.gov/archive/foma/home/events.htm

itmaiden

either way, that's who you need to contact.

Good Luck

 

[Sapper23]

Itmaiden,


I learn 30 plus years ago, " Sometime's doing the right thing, Can be the wrong thing to do. "
Since then: State and Fed's are the last people I'll contact!! Good luck in your Quest:
The truth is out there, just do your research!!!

 

[Salvor6]

Hello Itmaiden. Funny you should mention this. In 1994 I found the exact location of Ft. Caroline. I even dived offshore and found evidence of old shipwrecks (wood). I tried to get an exploration permit from the Division of Historical Resources but they only wanted me to give them the location and I get nothing. What the DHR would do is make it a marine preserve and ban the public from this area. You have good intentions but you can't deal with the state.

 

[itmaiden]

Yes, some of those ships were sent to the bottom in a hurry and may have still had cargo on board. The French had heisted 2 Spanish "sugar" ships as I call them, and had them docked at the time the Spanish showed up.

The state has confiscated every bit of land that has potential historical treasure on it. They had many of the books/historical documents early on, and unfortunately they had gotten their hands on the Archives of the Indies apparently. Don't know which treasure hunters to blame for that one.

The state is nothing more than humans often backed by aristocracies or others with power/money/influence who are competing against other humans under the guise of "government and the law", which "Law" is "changeable" in an "instant" if it suits their biased and corrupt purposes to do so. It is hard to respect a government who behaves as they do.

The archie (s) that missed Ft. Caroline are probably the same as the one that claimed there was nothing on Rattlesnake Island, even though it was the site of an old Fort.

I saw one Treasure Salvor company that was smart. They wanted the wrecks in a particular area, so they bought the adjacent Island so they then owned the water rights adjacent to the island.

I understood that Mel bought a lot of land in the Sebastian area at one time. He probably should have bought about the whole coast !

itmaiden

Hello Itmaiden. Funny you should mention this. In 1994 I found the exact location of Ft. Caroline. I even dived offshore and found evidence of old shipwrecks (wood). I tried to get an exploration permit from the Division of Historical Resources but they only wanted me to give them the location and I get nothing. What the DHR would do is make it a marine preserve and ban the public from this area. You have good intentions but you can't deal with the state.